Captain America: The First Avenger

[Welverin]

That's good to know (as someone who didn't read the comics). FWIW, I think the sort of "eternal" organization has more possibilities than just another Nazi spin off. In the comics, was Schmidt around before the failed experiement? (Did that even happen in the comics?)

I don't think I've ever read an origin story for the Red Skull previously, though there is a mini series running now on issue #2 that is just that.

Anyway, the comic Red Skull/Johann Schmidt was an actual Nazi and one of Caps original villains and goes back to Caps origins in the early forties, thus predating Hydra.

Finally, there was no earlier experiment, when the Skull ended up with Caps powers it was because he was in a cloned body of Cap.

 

[Ed_Laprade]

Well, if we're going to get nitpicky Hydra was formed by Baron Von Strucker, Nick Fury's nemesis, not the Red Skull. At the very end of the war, not in '43-44, as in the movie. (I don't know about anyone else, but I have no idea how long it was supposed to take to get from the beginning of the movie til its end. Months, at least.)

And, for those who don't know, The Skull was in the very first Cap comic (IIRC). The one showing Cap socking Hitler on the jaw before we entered the war.

 

[Welverin]

Well, if we're going to get nitpicky Hydra was formed by Baron Von Strucker, Nick Fury's nemesis, not the Red Skull. At the very end of the war, not in '43-44, as in the movie. (I don't know about anyone else, but I have no idea how long it was supposed to take to get from the beginning of the movie til its end. Months, at least.)

Haven't they recently established/retconed them to have been far, far older, much like what Hickman is doing with SHIELD?

 

[Ed_Laprade]

Haven't they recently established/retconed them to have been far, far older, much like what Hickman is doing with SHIELD?

Its been a long time since I've read a new comic, but that's the impression I get. Of course, being a grumpy comics grognard, Marvel can tell me that the stories I read in my youth never happened all they want. Just don't expect me to pay any attention to them!

 

[megamania]

Yup and DC also.

 

[Relique du Madde]

Its been a long time since I've read a new comic, but that's the impression I get. Of course, being a grumpy comics grognard, Marvel can tell me that the stories I read in my youth never happened all they want. Just don't expect me to pay any attention to them!

I take it you agree with Deadpool that Magnito joining the X-Men after what he did to Jean in Morrison's run is messed up. You will also agree that the Xorns never existed, their existance was an elaborate hoax, and that the X-men should stop insisting that it wasn't a drugged-up-psychotic-roid-raged Magneto (or a Cloneto) that Wolverine beheaded at the end of that fore-mentioned arc.

 

[JoeGKushner]

I dug it.

Saw it with my mother and she dug it.

Had a very good flow from scene to scene. The only thing we thought was that it should have been longer. That is a rarity in a movie that I see it and go, "Man, that movie was too short."

Looking forward to seeing what they do in the future with this universe.

 

[Klaus]

It was very cool indeed. As others have said, I'd love to see more of Cap and the Howling Commandoes going after Cobra... er, Hydra (come on, this was a better GI Joe movie than GI Joe).

It's funny that when fully suited, Chris Evans looked less muscular than when he came out of the Vita chamber.

Also, Peggy Carter was awesome. It's so rare that the "love interest" is as interesting to us as she is to the main character, but Hayley Atwell really delivered it.

 

[Ed_Laprade]

I take it you agree with Deadpool that Magnito joining the X-Men after what he did to Jean in Morrison's run is messed up. You will also agree that the Xorns never existed, their existance was an elaborate hoax, and that the X-men should stop insisting that it wasn't a drugged-up-psychotic-roid-raged Magneto (or a Cloneto) that Wolverine beheaded at the end of that fore-mentioned arc.

Didn't read them, so I couldn't say. But then, comics continuity has long been a matter of opinion, eh?

 

[Relique du Madde]

Yup, and unfortunately continually is highly variable even between writers who are working on projects concurrently.