johnsemlak
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Theuderic said:
What's the url for that? enworld doesn't have pied piper in their publihser list, I can't find it on yahoo.
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Castle Greyhawk - Hackmaster or d20
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What's the url for that? enworld doesn't have pied piper in their publihser list, I can't find it on yahoo.
VorpalBunny
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Sayburr said:
I like HackMaster. Alot. I for one would love to see Castle Greyhawk published (finally...). However, if it were to be published for HackMaster, I would not want to see it "overly" hackified - (no gnome titans, thug halflings or pixie fairies please). Just convert the rules, and leave the original NPCs and encounters alone. In other words I'll pass on Castle Greyhack.
This is the first time this adventure would see print - I don't think it should be released as a parody, homage, or send-up. Keep it (as Sayburr and Psion said) as close to the original concept as possible.
buzz
Adventurer
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I already don't have a very high opinion of HM/KODT. Reading this has pretty much eliminated any residual interest I had in checking out Castle Greyhawk.
I dunno. I have nothing against Mr. Gygax (like a lot of gamers, I feel indebted to him), but it irks me that he'll write a coumn for Dragon and profit from d20 versions of products like Necropolis, yet post the kind of 3e-bashing stuff you normally see on godawful places like RPG.net. It's almost John Wick-esque.
It's also interesting how much more 3e bile he vents at Pied Piper as opposed to here at ENWorld...
reutbing0 said:
I already don't have a very high opinion of HM/KODT. Reading this has pretty much eliminated any residual interest I had in checking out Castle Greyhawk.
I dunno. I have nothing against Mr. Gygax (like a lot of gamers, I feel indebted to him), but it irks me that he'll write a coumn for Dragon and profit from d20 versions of products like Necropolis, yet post the kind of 3e-bashing stuff you normally see on godawful places like RPG.net. It's almost John Wick-esque.
It's also interesting how much more 3e bile he vents at Pied Piper as opposed to here at ENWorld...
I haven't read Dragon mag for years, but I gather from talk online that he's reminiscing about the past in those columns, no? If what I've heard is correct, he's not exactly hyping the new system on one hand, and trashing it on the other.
Word has it that Gygax writes in LA, and has someone else convert it to d20. If you have a problem with this, try thinking about the occasional online suggestion of how enthused some WotC designers get about doing yet another dungeon crawl project when there are a thousand projects they'd believe in more. Are their hearts in it too, or are they just doing their job, catering to the masses? Does this concern you? Might want to rethink those Adventure Path purchases.
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jgbrowning
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Well i think he is trashing 3E. And i don't care. He has his preferences and i have mine and i agree and disagree with what he thinks.
It wouldn't bother me if he said "Man, vegetables are the worst thing in the world.. Meat is all you should eat." My enjoyment of 3E doesn't have that 'fandom" mentality that a lot of people seem to have. I feel no need to defend my opinions.
Its just about preferences. If he critisizes 3E and then puts out adventures in 3E in order to pay his bills it isn't any different then the way most people say "Sometime, my job sucks."
Point is, is that he likes roleplaying, and he created this whole big mess of passtime and for that i'm grateful. Even if he rather not touch 3E with a 10-foot pole.
joe b., the vegetarian.
It wouldn't bother me if he said "Man, vegetables are the worst thing in the world.. Meat is all you should eat." My enjoyment of 3E doesn't have that 'fandom" mentality that a lot of people seem to have. I feel no need to defend my opinions.
Its just about preferences. If he critisizes 3E and then puts out adventures in 3E in order to pay his bills it isn't any different then the way most people say "Sometime, my job sucks."
Point is, is that he likes roleplaying, and he created this whole big mess of passtime and for that i'm grateful. Even if he rather not touch 3E with a 10-foot pole.
joe b., the vegetarian.
That thread was a joke. G.G came off as juvenile. Note how his arguments had no real concrete basis in the rules; i seriously doubt he understands them. Pathetic really...
I just love that argument that 3ed rules are too 'restrictive'. I.e. they are balanced and comprehensive enough that someone might actually want to use them as written, wow. Earlier editions didn't even provide a sound mechanical baseline, but because 3e does, it gets in the way of hack designer's stilted ad hoc rules adjustment (which some actually equate with creativity) and is labled as 'restrictive'. Yet there is really no limit to the modification you can make to the rules. Do you risk losing the balance? Yes. But here's the rub... IF YOU ARE PLAYING EARLIER EDITIONS YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT BALANCE TO BEGIN WITH!!!! So 3e is in fact just as versatile as earlier editions and in fact all rulesets, but can be modified while more easily maintaing balance because that baseline is in place.
What Gary and others identitfied as 'creativity' i would equate with undisciplined, lazy, ego-driven design ethic.
What i will write in response to ignorance...
I just love that argument that 3ed rules are too 'restrictive'. I.e. they are balanced and comprehensive enough that someone might actually want to use them as written, wow. Earlier editions didn't even provide a sound mechanical baseline, but because 3e does, it gets in the way of hack designer's stilted ad hoc rules adjustment (which some actually equate with creativity) and is labled as 'restrictive'. Yet there is really no limit to the modification you can make to the rules. Do you risk losing the balance? Yes. But here's the rub... IF YOU ARE PLAYING EARLIER EDITIONS YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT BALANCE TO BEGIN WITH!!!! So 3e is in fact just as versatile as earlier editions and in fact all rulesets, but can be modified while more easily maintaing balance because that baseline is in place.
What Gary and others identitfied as 'creativity' i would equate with undisciplined, lazy, ego-driven design ethic.
What i will write in response to ignorance...
MeepoTheMighty
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Oh yay, a 1E vs. 3E thread. We haven't had one of those in what, almost 2 weeks or so?
Anyways, back on topic, I don't think I'd really play either version of Castle Greyhawk, since the whole concept always struck me as really silly. If I did play it, I'd want a Hackmaster version. Given Gary's well-known dislike for 3E and the abysmal track record of third party conversions of his work into such, I wouldn't trust a d20 conversion.
Anyways, back on topic, I don't think I'd really play either version of Castle Greyhawk, since the whole concept always struck me as really silly. If I did play it, I'd want a Hackmaster version. Given Gary's well-known dislike for 3E and the abysmal track record of third party conversions of his work into such, I wouldn't trust a d20 conversion.
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