Celestial Armor not made of mithral?

UltimaGabe

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Hey, everyone. Something came up in a recent D&D game that kinda startled me, because the Rules-Lawyer side of me came up short on an otherwise logic-based decision. We were all making 18th-level characters for a one-shot adventure (the Lichqueen's Beloved, for those of you who know anything about the Incursion adventure path), and one of the players decided to give his character Celestial Armor (a great armor in the DMG that's essentially +3 chainmail that has a maximum dex bonus of +8, armor check penalty of -2, spell failure of 20%, counts as light armor, and lets you Fly as the spell once per day- not only that, but it's so light that it can be worn under clothes). The player, however, was creating a rogue-ish character, and was dissatisfied that it still had a -2 armor check penalty.

"Could I just have it made out of Mithral?" he asked.

Having played a character a long time ago that had Celestial Armor (a Barbarian with an unbelievable Dex), I spoke up, saying, "It's already Mithral. That's why it's so light."

We looked, however, and the description said no such thing. In fact, it says nothing about its material (except saying it's silver or gold, though I highly doubt that's the actual material it's made out of). It has the same stats as Mithral Chainmail (well, except for the higher Maximum Dexterity Bonus), but it's not listed as Mithral- in fact, the only thing that seems to give it its lightness is the fact that it's "so fine" as the description says. (And even if it IS made of Silver or Gold, obviously they're enchanted to be lighter than they naturally are, so who's to say Mithral couldn't be enchanted more than it is as well?) I told the DM (who often comes to me, the other DM in the group, for advice) that I thought it was way to cheesy to go and make it Mithral, and the player didn't mind keeping it as it was since the Armor Check penalty wasn't that bad anyway- but I thought I'd check and see if anyone else has had this problem before.
 
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UltimaGabe said:
I thought I'd check and see if anyone else has had this problem before.
It's been brought up before on newsgroups (and I've even considered making mithral clestial armor myself), but by far the consensus is that is a no go. It would be cheesy and wouldn't make sense: if it was possibly, most celestial armor would likely be made that way to begin with.

No. Celestial armor is a special item that is already made better than mithral. The two don't stack.
 

UltimaGabe said:
It has the same stats as Mithral Chainmail (well, except for the higher Maximum Dexterity Bonus)

It has similar stats to mithral chainmail with the nimbleness additional ability, then ?

I wouldn't allow it to be made of mithral in addition to all that.
 



Same thing came up for me in my last game where PCs were made at 16th level. Looking at the stats, I made an on-the-fly ruling that it was, in fact, made out of mithral. I guess the "gold or silver" line didn't catch my attention.

Anyway, I fully agree that you should not be able to improve its lightness even more than it already is. "Mithral-ness" is clearly part of the statistics already.
 

The rules lawyer in me would like to point out that non-standard magic items are an OPTIONAL rule. As such, since there is no "mithral celestial armor" listed in the DMG, the ability to make it out of other materials is completely up to the DM.

The DM in me says "heck no" just because it's already giving benefits similar to mithral, and to allow even more benefit for a comparatively small price is generally a no no.
 


It wasn't mithril in 3.0 by the book description.

However, if you figured up the cost to make it, it was obviously priced as if it was made from mithril.
 


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