Kid Charlemagne
I am the Very Model of a Modern Moderator
All I know is, I want the Modrons to march right over the reception hall.
Challenging my high-lvl group (NPCs and monsters; my players shouldn't read this!)
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Ashy
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Well, IMHO, you have to look at the motivations of all devils - they all want to advance in the Baatorian hierachy. Perhaps Agar has tapped into some sort of power that he does not really know about yet; something deep inside himself that will awaken when he *bonds* with demonflesh. Perhaps Agar himself will change and become something far more sinister and asend to a position on high within the Abyss (and of course, take his bride along for the ride - perhaps she will become a PART of him, literally - evil grin)...
Unless the DoD can stop it, of course....
Unless the DoD can stop it, of course....
Greybar
No Trouble at All
Oooh. Devil are big on honor in their own way, right? Order and such as the path to power (oh, and evil if you must insist.
two steps:
* Spurn the wedding and the brides family will be honor-bound to avenge their wounded pride upon Agar's family.
* Technically accept the wedding and refuse to consumate it, and they'll be even more insulted.
* Accept the wedding and consumate it, and they get a cambion of great wizarding power and fiendish heritage.
john
two steps:
* Spurn the wedding and the brides family will be honor-bound to avenge their wounded pride upon Agar's family.
* Technically accept the wedding and refuse to consumate it, and they'll be even more insulted.
* Accept the wedding and consumate it, and they get a cambion of great wizarding power and fiendish heritage.
john
Kaodi
Legend
Agar
This is kind of a mish-mash of ideas, I guess:
What if, thousands of years in the past, or even the future, a relative of Agar's was responsible for the defeat in mortal combat of a powerful and/or influential devil. In the ensuing chaos, this relative was slain, and pieces of their soul was scattered onto the winds of time, eventually lodging themselves in Agar's many ancestors and descendants. To bring back/release the slain/defeated fiend, not only must it be done by a member of Agar's family, it must also be a member of the family that had knowledge possessed only by the relative. Thus, the devil's had to spend a great deal of time learning to detect those that possessed these bits of soul, and also who had the inclination and ability to master the appropriate skills. Finally, they succeeded in identifying that person as Agar, and they have been thus preparing for the occasion ever since. In order for Agar to unlock this fiend, he is going to have to find a way to recover the lost memory of his relative, and then perform whatever ritual or ceremony is required. The devil's believed that the best way to do this was to set Agar up into some sort of marriage in which he would be forced to take a carefully worded vow, one that contained in it somehow the oath to free the fiend.
Just a thought.
This is kind of a mish-mash of ideas, I guess:
What if, thousands of years in the past, or even the future, a relative of Agar's was responsible for the defeat in mortal combat of a powerful and/or influential devil. In the ensuing chaos, this relative was slain, and pieces of their soul was scattered onto the winds of time, eventually lodging themselves in Agar's many ancestors and descendants. To bring back/release the slain/defeated fiend, not only must it be done by a member of Agar's family, it must also be a member of the family that had knowledge possessed only by the relative. Thus, the devil's had to spend a great deal of time learning to detect those that possessed these bits of soul, and also who had the inclination and ability to master the appropriate skills. Finally, they succeeded in identifying that person as Agar, and they have been thus preparing for the occasion ever since. In order for Agar to unlock this fiend, he is going to have to find a way to recover the lost memory of his relative, and then perform whatever ritual or ceremony is required. The devil's believed that the best way to do this was to set Agar up into some sort of marriage in which he would be forced to take a carefully worded vow, one that contained in it somehow the oath to free the fiend.
Just a thought.
WizarDru said:
I have to disagree here. Agar must be engaged to a Gelugon (Ice Devil). Why else do you think he has the phobia against insects? Even if he's never even seen his bride to be, on some deep seated level (induced by some far-realms vision, no doubt) Agar knows.
Why? I'm not sure, though there are plenty of good ideas so far. Personally I prefer the thought that Agar is only peripheral to the marriage at hand. The fiends involved want something else and Agar will help bring it to pass (or prevent it). I like Wizardru's thoughts on the subject though.
Alternatively, some devil lost a bet and has to marry a halfing. Either one works for me.
But can you imagine Agar's horror when he's introduced to his bride-to-be?
Kaodi
Legend
Combination of Ideas
What might work really well is some sort of combination of all of the above ideas:
Arwink: Agar has in some way been prodded along his path in life.
Kugar: Agar's parents struck the deal to save something greater.
WizarDru: Agar has been predetermined as the person who will choose the new deity of deity of Things That Crawl (Imbindarla's other facet is taken by someone else, possibly her son?)
Me: Agar's decision is somehow predetermined by how his wedding vows are worded.
Seravin: Agar is getting married to a Gelugon (the final insult).
Added to this, Agar's abilities and/or travels are what made him able to make the choice. If he hadn't become what he is, the choice would have passed to someone else.
What might work really well is some sort of combination of all of the above ideas:
Arwink: Agar has in some way been prodded along his path in life.
Kugar: Agar's parents struck the deal to save something greater.
WizarDru: Agar has been predetermined as the person who will choose the new deity of deity of Things That Crawl (Imbindarla's other facet is taken by someone else, possibly her son?)
Me: Agar's decision is somehow predetermined by how his wedding vows are worded.
Seravin: Agar is getting married to a Gelugon (the final insult).
Added to this, Agar's abilities and/or travels are what made him able to make the choice. If he hadn't become what he is, the choice would have passed to someone else.
I love the water trap, I remember when you asked for technical help on the details, and it was fun to see it hit. A quibble, though. From the story:
Why did Velendo leave a gap in the wall? He thought that would let the water flow out slowly? I'm not sure I buy that. When you take a rubber hose, with water flowing out, and you put your thumb over it so that the opening narrows, the water doesn't trickle out slower. It goes out faster and harder. It's the pressure pushing down from above, not really the velocity gained by falling, that makes the water flow hard. I think the flow would have diminished, but not entirely slackened, since the increased pressure would have made up for the smaller opening at that point.
Eh. A minor quibble. It might have bugged me had I been playing, but you were there and had to make an on-the-spot ruling, everyone had fun and the game moved on.
Why did Velendo leave a gap in the wall? He thought that would let the water flow out slowly? I'm not sure I buy that. When you take a rubber hose, with water flowing out, and you put your thumb over it so that the opening narrows, the water doesn't trickle out slower. It goes out faster and harder. It's the pressure pushing down from above, not really the velocity gained by falling, that makes the water flow hard. I think the flow would have diminished, but not entirely slackened, since the increased pressure would have made up for the smaller opening at that point.
Eh. A minor quibble. It might have bugged me had I been playing, but you were there and had to make an on-the-spot ruling, everyone had fun and the game moved on.
Carnifex
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Piratecat said:Those salt mine ideas are great. I've actually been to an underground salt mine/cathedral, in Zipaquira' Colombia. It was amazing.
So, here's something to discuss: Poor Agar. Engaged to a devil! I have some ideas why, but let me ask you: WHY would a devil want to marry an alienist/diviner/planewalker so badly that they arranged a marriage when he was just a toddler?
I'll be excited to hear your ideas.
You know that it has to be in some way involved with the Modron March being off-time. Maybe the fellow behind the disruption of the March, you know the one, who also features in Dead Gods, yeah him
well it could be that Agar will become important in his plans (perhaps via wanting to use Far Realm stuff to aid him in some way) and the devils pre-emptively tried to get their own claws in Agar (relying on just a powerful divination spell that said the little halfling'd be very important in the future).Or something...
Sialia
First Post
Not every member of every species is a perfect specimen thereof. Such an embarassment. But even evil daddies love their darlings.
The bride's family has been waiting a long, long time for somebody who might be a suitable match for their beloved but unfortunately malformed daughter. Agar is clearly the prophecied one who has just the right fetish for the job.
"With the way he sees, and the way she looks, it's a perfect match!"
(whadya know--maybe she's been riding along on his shoulder the whole time . . .)
The bride's family has been waiting a long, long time for somebody who might be a suitable match for their beloved but unfortunately malformed daughter. Agar is clearly the prophecied one who has just the right fetish for the job.
"With the way he sees, and the way she looks, it's a perfect match!"
(whadya know--maybe she's been riding along on his shoulder the whole time . . .)
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