Changes done to novels and comics in the movies.

Dagger75

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I was never a big comic book fan, but I have heard from tons of people that the new X-men movie differs greatly from the comics. Even spider man was different from the comic books so I hear. Something about Gwen Stacy or something like that. Even the Batman movies and Smallville seem to have branched out from the comics they were inspired from.

Why are people so pissed when they changed LotR movies but just say ohh thats different from the comics and let it slide?
 

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I can't definitively answer that since, well, I DO say "let it slide" ;)

However, I can make three guesses:

1) More respect for LoTR in the circle of people you talk with... You know, it's the equivalent of the gamer's bible ;)

2) LoTR was written by one man. The comics have been written by many. And each has its own spin off and the comics, through all these incarnations, deviate from their own story lines (or make them especially convoluted to undo another writer's stuff). So we're all desenitized to seeing yet another version really

3) For LoTR the cast and crew have _said_ that they wanted to get as close to/ as true to the book as possible. Where as with X-Men, etc. they only said they were making a movie based off of ... so, it is a different level of expectation.


Anyway, just some guessing.
 

Over time most comicbook plots become completely nonsensical. A comic-based movie does little more rewriting than the last story arc anyway, so I don't think most people mind it so much, especially when the movie makes improvements.
 

fba827 said:
2) LoTR was written by one man. The comics have been written by many. And each has its own spin off and the comics, through all these incarnations, deviate from their own story lines (or make them especially convoluted to undo another writer's stuff). So we're all desenitized to seeing yet another version really

This is pretty much it. Though I would add that the recent comic based movies have stayed more true to the originals in theme and felling where changes are concerned and what differs is more a cutting of excess history, and there is a lot to be cut since most of these movies are based on characters forty or more years old.
 

Change is generally needed when making a comics-based movie for many reasons. Time is limited, so there has to be room enough for both plot and explanations, esp. for a superhero film. (That really needs to be said, since movies like Bulletproof Monk and Men In Black are based on comics).

Remember that very few people in this country read comics even casually (top red-hot-hot sellers today would have been cancelled 20 years ago due to low sales) and those who did and gave it up only have vague memories. Most people only remember that %^% Batman TV series. So, you've got to present an entirely new unverse in terms most people will understand, within 120 minutes, AND get past the terrible mainstream reputation comics still have in this country.

X-Men: Not really a great deal of change here, actually, save for some power levels and a few minor particulars.

Spider-Man: Probably the best superhero movie ever made. Again, not too many changes. Gwen Stacey? Forget her. She was a bump in the road and she's been dead-dead for thirty years now.

Batman: Again, not all that many changes. Somewhat less enjoyable for the casting, but then they also had the terrible weight of that %^$& TV show to overcome.

Smallville: What changes they made are good. No, it doesn't resemble the comic continuity much at all. For older people who remember when there was a non-clone Superboy, it really doesn't resemble continuity. Smallville takes the standard teen drama and slips in bits of comic genre here and there; it's a stealth approach to appeal to people who'd never have watched Lois and Clark, much less a more action-oriented Superman show.

I think the main reason comics fans don't argue so much as LOTR fans is that mainly we're happy to have anything that's not total crap on the big screen AND making tons of cash.
 

well, i beg to differ.

there are PLENTY of comic geeks who have complained about the most minute of changes from comic "canon" to film. go back in time to a comic book message board or comic shop immediately before or after the x-men and spidey movies hit theatres.

rogue's lack of white stripe, rogue's lack of powers, wolverine's height, the x-men lineup itself, spidey's organic webshooters, the green goblin's armor, ben urich working for the ny post instead of the daily bugle, etc etc

i've also seen the LOTR and harry potter movies argued both ways. as being too different from the source material and as being too slavishly devoted.

what it comes down to is context. i've never been a huge fan of the LOTR books. i think that the movies are about as accurate as you can be and in most scenes BETTER than the books. the abscence of all those lame songs and tom bombadil can only be a plus.

i have become very attached to the harry potter books. and the movies so far have been so ridiculously close to the source material its hard to believe. even saying that though, there is so much extra stuff in the books i would love to see on the big screen. and i worry at how they will try to squeeze the next 3 mammoth novels into 3 hours movies. but i know they are doing theyre best to get the most important stuff on the screen. so i deal.

as for the comics, these are completely different beasts than novels. as the others have said. they have over FORTY years of backstory and numerous writers. there have been many character shifts and ret-cons over this time. when making a movie there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to tell everything the exact same way it happeend in the comics. there would be way to much history to explain and crazy plotlines that would lose the average movie-goer.

so the important thing is the concept. the feel. the characters. not the specific storyline details.

the first x-men movie had a team roster that didnt match any roster from any time in the comic's history. some characters were slightly older , younger, less powerful, or physically different than their 4color counterparts. BUT they nailed most of it.
from the opening scene and Magneto's nazi experience.
to rogue's first scene with her hysterical reaction to putting her boyfriend in a coma by kissing him
to marsden's amazing annoyign prep cyclops.
and of course jackman's near-perfect wolverine.
they missed in a few spots (mystique and storm)
but for the most part the movie was pretty true to the characters and the x-men concept.
(mutants fighting to protect the world that hates and fears them)

the spidey movie did the same thing. stayed true to the core concept (with great power comes great responsibility) and the peter parker character (nerd turned hero with the usual teenage personal problems and guilt over his dead uncle)

and x2 continues the trend. doing a good job of fixing what was wrong with the first movie (by giving mystique some actual substance and a brain) . and adding another dead-on portrayal with cumming's nightcrawler, which actually kept his german accent AND surprisingly enough his religious convictions.

these movies also have a pretty good balance of action and character moments just like any comic book. so although you could argue that the comic book movies are very different from the source material. i argue that theyre very much THE SAME.

of course, the batman movies SUCKED because the forgot the basic premise of the post 80s batman which is that bruce wayne is the mask that batman wears.
and smallville has no chance to be great because of the severe limitations placed on it because we know what will happen in the end.

but ive rambled enough after answering your question in the first sentence.

steve
 

Great answer Steve, you've summed it up quite well. I don't agree with you about Smallville, but I think you've hit everything else straight on.

After the first X-Men film I heard many complaints from comic book fans, stating many of the same nit-picks pointed out in this thread, but most people had to admit that they hit just about every character head on, and at some point during the history of the comic that was EXACTLY how each character was portryed. In two cases I felt the film actually improved upon any version of the comics, namely with the portrayal of the Toad and with Xaviar's school as a school for young mutants.

Thought X-2 also kicked butt and was very true to the comics. Haven't seen Daredevil but I heard it was as close as Spidy to capturing the feel of the comic books. The Justice League cartoon is also pretty accurate.
 

thanks for the kind words silvermoon

and for further proof of my points about fanboys who are insane and have no clue and pick on the differences...read this thread right here on these boards

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50661

where blockader7 says some crazy things like
"My gripes about the movie is the Angelic Script ritual scarring on Nightcrawler and they made Colossus into a less than supporting character. The same thing with Shadowcat. With this kind of rewriting, I can never consider this movie part of the mainline Marvel Univers, but an alternate one. Also Nightcrawler, while he was a Christian in the mainline mainstream, I've never seen him pray so excessively and he kept his faith to himself much of the time. Colossus is one of the leading X-Men characters, even if Secong Generation X-Men."

he wants MORE main characters in the movie, when most people complain that they already dont give enough time to their favorites. maybe he wants a six hour movie? he also complains about the one thing they changed with nightcrawler (the scars) and then proves he doesn't know what he's talking about by saying Nightcrawler was never excessively religious, when at one point in the comics he was actually training to become a priest.
don't get much more religious that that.
he also makes a stunning prediction for x2 which is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS to everyone else who reads comics by the end of x2.

so comic fans are just as anal and clueless about comic movies as lotr fans, NO...THEY ARE WORSE.... BUT you just don't know as many because you were never a comic fan dagger.

steve
 

I read Felloship after seeing the movie and thought that the movie was better. I hated many parts of the novel because the movie made events more exiting. One in particular that I will mention is that Gandalf has Frodo leave in the morning, not 30 years later. To me, that was just bad ploting.
 

I too, thought that the FotR movie was better than the book.
But I also think that the TTT book was better than the movie.

EDIT: Oh, and I read the books long before the movies.
 
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