D&D 5E Chaos Gifts...

Lyxen

Great Old One
[Blah blah blah bout shamanism]

Once more, here are your words to criticise the picture: "It is important to understand what a shaman is, instead of abusing the term."

THE GUY WHO INVENTED GLORANTHA KNEW FAR MORE ABOUT SHAMANISM THAT YOU EVER WILL, SO YOU WERE THE ONE DOING THE ABUSE OF THE TERM WITH YOUR IGNORANCE.

Stop pushing your ideas and agenda on these forums, as with all the threads that you participate in (species and lineage, alignment and in particular Chaos, Glorantha and Shamanism, you don't know what you are talking about, you just want to criticise people and ideas for not aligning with your real world ideas. Once more, leave our fantasy alone, there is nothing wrong with it apart from your ideas of it, and we are not interested.
 

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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
THE GUY WHO INVENTED GLORANTHA KNEW FAR MORE ABOUT SHAMANISM THAT YOU EVER WILL, SO YOU WERE THE ONE DOING THE ABUSE OF THE TERM WITH YOUR IGNORANCE.

Stop pushing your ideas and agenda on these forums...
Mod Note:
Okay, the shouting has started? You're done in this thread.

And, by the way, YOU do not get to tell folks what ideas they may or may not express on these forums. YOU do not own the place.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
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It really doesnt matter how an inworld fiction explains and justifies a reallife racist hatespeech trope. It still remains a reallife racist hatespeech trope.

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So, this site has an inclusivity policy. If you feel that someone has violated that policy, please report it, and let the moderators handle it. We cannot guarantee to agree with your assessment, but we will look into it.

If you do not report it, but engage in this way, you're saying that they haven't violated the policy, but it is okay to accuse them of hate speech. And that's not okay.
 

teitan

Legend
Back to the original post you could also look at Dungeon Crawl classics the Corruption Mechanics for some “chaos gifts”. In DCC when a Wizard casts a spell he makes a caster check to see how potently he casts the spell and if he rolls a one there is a chance to roll on a fun table for corruption which can give unique and interesting mutations.

as to a law v chaos debate. In the context of the source material, Moorecock, it was about cosmic forces vying for control of the universe with the Eternal champion the tipping point between the two. In D&D this concept was similarly presented and why True Neutral was so difficult to understand because of the ascription of the Good and Evil morality to the Law vs Chaos cosmic axis. Law didn’t, as others mention, mean “following the law”. It meant an alignment to the forces that bring order to the universe (whether that be for good or evil), and structure. Whereas chaos was often about breaking from the shackles of that structure and aligning with antinomian powers. Whoever mentioned Daoism and the middle way as Neutral was essentially right because Moorecock was influenced by some of the trappings of occult authors like Blavatsky and others in his cosmologies such as Crowley with the Black School, Yellow School and White School. The alignments originally were direct ports over of these ideas but with little to no real explanation because like most of the source material at the time Gygax assumed people knew what he was talking about such as the assumption you already had Chainmail when you bought the LBB.

appendix N is a wealth of ideas that more D&D fans should be reading even if they’re offended by some of the outdated ideas and motifs. Moorecock especially is particularly key for understanding alignments. When developing DCC Doug Kovacs the other Goodman Games crew were challenging Joseph Goodman to read the Appendix N materials for inspiration and he really captured the essence of those materials similarly to the pre-1e D&D material of the LBB and early AD&D material.
 

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