D&D 5E Chaos Gifts...

[Yaarel]

Oh yes, please point me to whoever on earth identifies themselves as a Broo and who is offended by Broos being chaotic and disgusting. sigh

My god, can't you please know what you are talking about before being self-righteous like that ? Shaman are extremely respected in Glorantha in general, I could point you straight to the Biturian Varosh example which shows baboon shaman as worthy of great respect despite being as inhuman as broos, and even more tribal and "non-urban". The above image is probably as much a Mallia Priest as a Shaman anyway, and invoking a disease spirit.

It is that attitude that really detracts from what should be, at heart, a good fight, when you lash at out at anything that you think might offend someone else, just on principle, without thinking, without knowing what it is about, just to be heard and seen. Just leave fantasy alone.

That picture sure looks like a derogatory demonizing stereotype of an African animist witchdoctor.

 

[Lyxen]

That picture sure looks like a derogatory demonizing stereotype of an African animist witchdoctor.

It only looks that way because you have a twisted mind that seeks "evil" in every single thing presented to you, looking for a reason to criticise it and declare a self-righteous crusade. And of course, africans have horns and fur or clear skin. sigh

And of course, it's primitive, a large part of Glorantha is primitive, and a lot of the main campaigns deal with the brave barbarian tribes fighting against the evil civilised and urban empire. So again, how does this demonise the barbarians when in fact the corruption of Chaos is brought by the evil civilisation of the red goddess?...

You should really move past the "look like", you know, instead of being offended by default, maybe ask some questions rather than coming down every single time with your "holy truth"...

 

[Yaarel]

It only looks that way because you have a twisted mind that seeks "evil" in every single thing presented to you, looking for a reason to criticise it and declare a self-righteous crusade. And of course, africans have horns and fur or clear skin. sigh

And of course, it's primitive, a large part of Glorantha is primitive, and a lot of the main campaigns deal with the brave barbarian tribes fighting against the evil civilised and urban empire. So again, how does this demonise the barbarians when in fact the corruption of Chaos is brought by the evil civilisation of the red goddess?...

You should really move past the "look like", you know, instead of being offended by default, maybe ask some questions rather than coming down every single time with your "holy truth"...

It is more that I admire reallife animists, and notice when popculture misrepresents animism and even demonizes it.

By the way, the term "primitive" is derogatory in English, and fell out of use in academic jargon decades ago, along with "savage".

 

[overgeeked]

There are literally dozens of other threads specifically about alignment. Maybe take this tangent to one of those.

 

[Yaarel]

There are literally dozens of other threads specifically about alignment. Maybe take this tangent to one of those.

Point taken.

But to be fair, a thread called "Chaos Gifts" seems to invite clarification about what does "chaos" mean, and what kinds of gifts should correlate it.

 

[Yaarel]

Where a Chaotic creature is individual-identity oriented, perhaps one of the Gifts makes them resistant to Charm?

Compare elf Charm resistance and Rogue Slippery Mind.

 

[Umbran]

It only looks that way because you have a twisted mind that seeks "evil" in every single thing presented to you..

Mod Note:
Don't make it personal. Address the logic of the post. Do not ascribe that logic to character flaws you want to assign to the poster.

Because, simply put, that's insulting. So stop doing it, in this thread, or elsewhere. Thanks.

 

[Lyxen]

It is more that I admire reallife animists, and notice when popculture misrepresents animism and even demonizes it.

And if you had cared to do a little research, you would have found that the dear departed Greg Stafford who started all that and wrote all that cosmology was actually a shaman in real life: "Francis Gregory Stafford (February 9, 1948 – October 10, 2018), usually known as Greg Stafford, was an American game designer, publisher, and practitioner of shamanism."

But no, rather than researching a bit, rather than saying that you didn't know and politely asking for more information, rather than assuming that there might be good reasons to love that world, that setting, that book and that picture, you post a big "Caution" on the picture on a game and a world that just supports your views and that you know nothing about.

As usual, criticism without the slightest hint of thought or knowledge.

By the way, the term "primitive" is derogatory in English, and fell out of use in academic jargon decades ago, along with "savage".

YOU WERE THE ONE WHO USED IT FIRST, SO YOU WERE THE ONE WHO WAS FIRST USING IT IN A DEMEANING WAY WITH THAT PICTURE !!!!

 

[Yaarel]

Properly, shamanism refers to animism.

While strict animism is nontheistic, there are specific indigenous cultures who blend animism and monotheism (imageless Great Spirit created all beings) or who blend animism and polytheism (certain nature beings demand worship from other nature beings).

Popculture shamanism, sometimes called neoshamanism, draws inspiration from indigenous cultures but is nonidentical with them.

 

[Yaarel]

It really doesnt matter how an inworld fiction explains and justifies a reallife racist hatespeech trope. It still remains a reallife racist hatespeech trope.