Character Submission Thread

perrinmiller

Villager
Are we starting a new Character Approvals Thread?

I am pretty much finished on the mechanics of my replacement for Ariel.

Cythera e'Kiernan

I have not decided what to do about Magical Knack yet nor added in the effects. Can it be used for Dragon Disciple to increase the Caster Level of her Draconic Bloodline?

If used for Bard levels, what will get increased as if she was a level 4 bard.
? Bardic Knowledge
? Bardic Performance rounds per day
? Spells known and Available to cast per day
 
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IronWolf

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Hhmmm, that didn't work quite right. The time stamp put PM's post first instead of after the judge's post. Probably won't matter after time though.
 

GlassEye

Community Supporter
Are we starting a new Character Approvals Thread?

I am pretty much finished on the mechanics of my replacement for Ariel.

Cytherea e'Kiernan

I have not decided what to do about Magical Knack yet nor added in the effects. Can it be used for Dragon Disciple to increase the Caster Level of her Draconic Bloodline?

If used for Bard levels, what will get increased as if she was a level 4 bard.
? Bardic Knowledge
? Bardic Performance rounds per day
? Spells known and Available to cast per day
I think anytime we need to use a thread from the social group it should be recreated here.

Magical Knack & Dragon Disciple: Draconic Bloodline powers aren't determined by caster level but by sorcerer levels + draconic disciple levels. It would increase the caster level of sorcerer spells for those levels that you've taken another class and probably the caster level of his Dragon Form ability. It won't allow access to Draconic Bloodline powers earlier if that's what you're asking.

Magical Knack & Bards: None of the abilities listed are determined by caster level so none of those abilities would be affected.

EDIT: Was responding to PM's questions in the other thread when I was magically transported here! Nifty!
 
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perrinmiller

Villager
Thanks, GE. I am not so sure that trait would benefit her much then. I will have to look since most of the wording on bards is "bard level" instead of caster level. I guess they made that an exact literal meaning instead of Caster Level meaning Class Level.
 

Systole

Community Supporter
Erm ... you may want to do a quick internet search for 'Cytherea' before you settle on that name. Probably best not to do it at work, though.
 

Satin Knights

Villager
OK. Starting my review of 'her'. It will take a while.
A) reformatted the basic info to remove scroll bars.
B) HP totals to 54, not 48. Corrected.
C) Substituted Reactionary for Misc*. If there is room, I prefer the details to be inline.
D) The morningstar is B and P, not 'or'. So, the silvering does not add a -1. Therefore it is +6 damage.
E) I don't like the alignment of the character drifting so far away from the dragon type, but since RAW is "often of good alignments", it is allowed.
F) In Bloodline Arcana, marked type as Electricity.
G) In her background, a blue dragon is mentioned. But you chose Bronze for the dragon disciple. ??
H) Added Ariel to the Retired category.
I) Fixed a few cubit/cubic discrepancies.
J) The Dragon Bite has been added to the list of DD abilities early. Doesn't need to be removed, but does clutter the situation.
K) You have a (3) on MW Rapier. But, you only paid for one.

So, nothing stands out as a show stopper. Choose your color, and please change your name. I didn't have to google. I would suggest going back and editing your posts also to the new name. Don't want to draw unwanted google attention.

She has her first APPROVAL for sixth level, even though she has no one to play with. :p
 
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perrinmiller

Villager
Thanks, off to work right now. I want to fix those things and I have a few other minor adjustments that I want to do before the second approval.
 

perrinmiller

Villager
Erm ... you may want to do a quick internet search for 'Cytherea' before you settle on that name. Probably best not to do it at work, though.
What have you been up to. ;)

I dropped the 2nd "e" and now it is benign. I changed the title of here sheet on the wiki too, but the old link still works, initially at least.

I must have missed changing the dragon type when I changed pictures. Supposed to be bronze. I will go with LN for alignment, one step removed from Bronze dragons.

After further consideration, I think I will not change the 5th level feat. She will hit 7th level soon enough anyway once she gets into action. So she is ready for final approval.

Cythera e'Kiernan

Thanks for the hard work, SK.
 

jkason

Villager
I started going through Cythera, and got myself hung up on a rules question. Mithral brings armor down a category for movement 'and other restrictions,' but mithral also requires proficiency at its normal level. Cythera clearly has proficiency from fighter levels, but my question is: is the bard ability to avoid spell failure tied to his specific armor proficiency? Bard training is specialized to learn to work armor into somatic components; fighter training wouldn't really be bothered by it. i.e. is the spell failure lifted by the first part of mithril or kept because of the second?

It's an honest question, as I've never encountered this particular combo before.
 

perrinmiller

Villager
I started going through Cythera, and got myself hung up on a rules question. Mithral brings armor down a category for movement 'and other restrictions,' but mithral also requires proficiency at its normal level. Cythera clearly has proficiency from fighter levels, but my question is: is the bard ability to avoid spell failure tied to his specific armor proficiency? Bard training is specialized to learn to work armor into somatic components; fighter training wouldn't really be bothered by it. i.e. is the spell failure lifted by the first part of mithril or kept because of the second?

It's an honest question, as I've never encountered this particular combo before.
Mithral

Mithral is a very rare silvery, glistening metal that is lighter than steel but just as hard.
When worked like steel, it becomes a wonderful material from which to create armor, and is occasionally used for other items as well. Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor. A character wearing mithral full plate must be proficient in wearing heavy armor to avoid adding the armor's check penalty to all his attack rolls and skill checks that involve moving. Spell failure chances for armors and shields made from mithral are decreased by 10%, maximum Dexterity bonuses are increased by 2, and armor check penalties are decreased by 3 (to a minimum of 0).
I take it to mean Cythera needs the medium armor proficiency for being able to use the armor without ACP to skills and attacks.

But, it is considered light armor for movement and spell failure.

That's my take on it.
 

IronWolf

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I think the important line from the Mithral description is:

Mithral said:
Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor.
Looks like the armor is one category lower than normal for "movement and other limitations". I would suspect the bard abilities fall under the "other limitations" clause. And as you said, the proficiency aspect is covered under his fighter levels.
 

jkason

Villager
Sounds like I'm the only one who found it confusing, so works for me. Not done looking over the sheet yet, but wanted to figure that out before I got myself more confused. :)
 

jkason

Villager
Feedback on Cythera

Weapons stats:

* Heavy Flail also has the disarm and trip special qualities
* Composite Longbow range is 110 feet, not 115.
* Ranged dagger attack line is missing range: 10'


Class Features:

* Dervish Dancers lose bardic knowledge, instead gaining Fleet (+10' land speed during a dance, +5' per 4 levels)

* A second level Dervish Dancer also has the Versatile Dance (replacing versatile performance) class feature: +1/2 level on perform (dance) checks, usable on Acrobatics checks a la versatile performance.

Skills:

* As noted above, a Dervish Dancer doesn't benefit from Bardic Knowledge, so all the Know skills are off. Also, since you can use your Dance checks for Acrobatics, it's probably not worth it to burn a skill point on Acrobatics itself.

* She should have the +2 from her various MWK books though. At least, I think that's what the "book of x +2" entries are?

* Perform (Dance) should be +12 from her Versatile Dance class feature bonus.
 

Satin Knights

Villager
More comments on Cythera,
A) Resistance is a pointless cantrip when you own a Cloak of Resistance. They don't stack.
B) Light is also marginalized by the Ioun Torch.
C) I would suggest Read Magic so you can use scrolls without resorting to a decipher check via spellcraft every time.
D) Mending is good to self-repair the dents and dings in your armor and weapons.
E) At sixth level, you are still living out of your backpack because you don't have a home? :p Apartments and homes
 

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