Charles Ryan (and others) out at WotC?

diaglo said:
don't even see the Hecatomb stuff near me at all. i don't know if the retailers even bought any. it ain't advertised in any of the stores i visit.

Ditto. Seems this baby of JT will die on the vine

ditto on the A&A comments from both of you.

If it had actually been 15mm it would have given Flames of War a run for its money (the fastest growing WWII game)

Interested to know where the other layoffs are. Magic may be #1 but its sales are lagging along with Duelmaster (check out the last 10K).
 

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seankreynolds said:
I guess you didn't hear how TSR laid off a bunch of people in December 1996, just a couple of weeks before Xmas. That was great fun. The same day they had the "holiday party," which was taking the remaining employees out to lunch. "Your bonus this year is that you get to keep your job."

:/

In any case, this still sucks.



MOTM was approved at the last minute and they needed to grab designers in a big hurry (our deadline was only about 5 weeks after it was assigned to us, and Gen Con was smack in the middle of it). Plus, the book isn't a pure sourcebook like your book was (I can't go into details because WotC hasn't really released info about it yet). And you have to admit that you don't exactly have a lot of d20 credits to your name, if the Pen & Paper Database is any indicator. WotC also may not have known if you were available. I don't think your book was bad (though it suffers some of the problems common to most 2E FR products) and we used it as a reference for MOTM. I wouldn't take it personally.

Ahhh...just back from lunch. Yum. Deep dish pizza. Ok, now to the buisness at hand.

Sean:
No, I didn't hear about that 1996 layoff. That's horrendous! Was that around the same time as the whole "everything's going to heck and we can't pay anyone to print the stuff?" Because, yeah, towards the end there, things did seem to get pretty bad. All I know is, things seemed like a total mess at the end, but years before that (late 80's to early 90's), things seemed cool. People there seemed to actually remember me (even though I wasn't the best nor most prolific freelancer they had), and actually kept in contact with me, remembering me for assignments, without me having to bug them often or do the phone equivalent of waving my arms frantically and clucking like a chicken :-)

I'm intrigued about MOTM being "not a pure sourcebook" thing. I know that, for the 2nd ED AD&D Moonsea book, I didn't like the idea of the Players Guide, since it left me with less room to put in more nifty crunchy bits for the DM. But hey...you write what you're asked to write....right? ;-)

Yeah, I know my list of credits for d20 aren't amazing. But hey, I assumed that the fact that I DID do some writing for WotC in a high-profile lline (d20 Star Wars) was at least a step in the right direction, coupled with doing WotC web enhancements for the Unapproachable East, and the fact that I DID write a bunch of Realms products for 2nd Ed, and let's face it, the Realms is the Realms regardless of what dice you're using. I'm also apparently on some freelancer list of Chris Perkins'. So yeah, I'm a writer, and that means I have an ego of some sort, so yeah, I felt a bit snubbed. Not a huge deal though.

But thanks for the response, Sean! It did answer some questions I had. I appreciate it! Thanks again! And I'm looking forward to seeing the book when it comes out! :-D
 

StupidSmurf said:
My experiences in the Great Dot-Com Crash of 2000 have taught me that holiday layofss suck major butt, regardless of the severence package. Nothing can replace the peace of mind of knowing you have a steady income coming in.

Yeah, but at least when that happened it was most of us in the office and the pink slip parties were fun :) Besides, I doubt Charles got anything like the severence package I recieved when I walked away from my 1st dot.com dump...
 


kenobi65 said:
Anything's possible
But, hiring a new PR agency (and, remember, they already had a PR agency; the recent move was to assign M:tG and D&D to two different PR agencies) really is nowhere near the same thing as hiring an outside marketing consultant to take over the marketing function. PR agencies do very specific things, and there's a lot that Marketing entails that PR agencies just don't have anything to do with.

As a marketing consultant, ditto.

However, the separation of agencies and budgets now looks a little ominous
 
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Warbringer said:
Yeah, but at least when that happened it was most of us in the office and the pink slip parties were fun :) Besides, I doubt Charles got anything like the severence package I recieved when I walked away from my 1st dot.com dump...


We never had pink slip parties. We walked into work one Monday morning, and were told there would be a meeting in about an hour. At the meeting, we were told that the VCs (Venture Capitalists) were withdrawing their funding, and that the doors were closing that Friday. No severence packages, because they had no money for them. They were going to keep a skeleton staff to keep the company running in name, since they were the plaintiffs in a lawsuit, but the lawsuit would go away if the company ceased to exist. So they kept a handful of us (I was one of the eight lucky ones), and were told to just report to work and do some token stuff, and that eventually the lawsuit would be resolved, and they'd just close the doors and we'd be done.

After a while, the suit was resolved, the owners got a fat settlement, and our last day was December 31, 1999. The humorous part was that I was promptly rehired to a NEW startup that was started by a few of the VPs of the just-dissolved company! Bwahaha! I started on Jan 2, 2000! I was hired on to be a Games Editor, but the company had no games yet. I worked there till April, got a 20% pay increase, then was laid off (along with a half dozen other people) over the phone during my vacation that July, because they still didn't have Games up and running, so I was expendable! The company closed its doors by the end of that year. Ironically, when I got laid off, I ended up doing temp work as a Games Manual editor at Hasbro, in Beverly! :-)

Aren't dot-coms wonderful?
 
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