Class skills of a 20 HD Outsider?

[andargor]

I must be blind, but I'm trying to figure out what the class skills of an Outsider are?

I'm trying to create a deity, which has 20 Outsider HD. They get skill points for those HD, but there is no indication on class skills.

I know people will say "hey, it's a deity, give all class skills", but I'd like to know if it's written in the rules somewhere.

Or if someone has deconstructed the Deities & Demigods deities, how were the skill points assigned?

Andargor

 

[Shin Okada]

I am not sure if it is applied for deities, but in case of racial HD, class skills are different for each monster races. Each Outsider races have different set of class skills for their Outsider HDs. Read Monster Manual's Glossary ("Class Skills" entry, P.307).

 

[andargor]

I am not sure if it is applied for deities, but in case of racial HD, class skills are different for each monster races. Each Outsider races have different set of class skills for their Outsider HDs. Read Monster Manual's Glossary ("Class Skills" entry, P.307).

You mean like Celestials, Fiends, etc.? I don't have the MM, but I can't see anything in the SRD except:

Skill points equal to (8 + Int modifier, minimum 1) per Hit Die, with quadruple skill points for the first Hit Die.

Deities are "pure" 20 HD Outsiders, or do they have a race with 20 Outsider HD?

Andargor

 

[Shin Okada]

You mean like Celestials, Fiends, etc.?

I mean each race. For example, though both of them are fiends and demons, Succubus and Balor have different sets of class skills for their HD.

Deities are "pure" 20 HD Outsiders, or do they have a race with 20 Outsider HD?

I don't know if "pure outsider" has any meaning. According to Deities and Demigods, "Most deities are 20 HD outsiders with 30 to 50 character levels."

I have not yet perused the entire Deities and Demigods book. So I am not sure if it contains truly enough information for building new deity's stats.

 

[Staffan]

I don't have Deities & Demigods, but basically any monster has the skills listed in its writeup as class skills for its racial HD. This means that when you make up one from scratch, all skills can be treated as class skills.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Generally, when discussing monsters, any skill listed in its description is a class skill, and any skill not listed is not a class skill.

 

[FEADIN]

That's a good question.....
The class skills for a creature are listed with the creature, there are no "outsider skills", but for the Gods?????
I'd say all skills are class skills because they are born as god but I don't remember reading anything about this question in the Deities

 

[Shin Okada]

Not all the deities are born as god. There are many who "became" gods. Some of them are not even outsider at all. Vecna is undead. And his HDs are all came from classes (Wizard 20/Cleric 20).

 

[FEADIN]

Not all the deities are born as god. There are many who "became" gods. Some of them are not even outsider at all. Vecna is undead. And his HDs are all came from classes (Wizard 20/Cleric 20).

Yes but the question was about:
.....I'm trying to create a deity, which has 20 Outsider HD. They get skill points for those HD, but there is no indication on class skills......
so

 

[Shin Okada]

Yes but the question was about:
.....I'm trying to create a deity, which has 20 Outsider HD. They get skill points for those HD, but there is no indication on class skills......
so

AFAIK there is no rule regarding it. I say whichever skill appropriate to the god's domain, portfolio or background may be class skills. It is deity anyway.