Cleric's of Hieronious

[Tiberius]

Ah, St. Cuthbert was originally LG. My understanding is that they shifted him to LN in 3E because they needed a core deity in that alignment slot.

Isn't Wee Jas also in that alignment slot? Or did they want at least two for the non-True Neutral alignments?

 

[Aaron L]

They did some wierd stuff with the Greyhawk gods when they shoehorned them into the PHB. Like making Heironeous's favored weapon a longsword. Its always been a battleaxe. He himself carries an axe the grows and shrinks.

 

[hopeless]

Cleric of?

So would you say a LN Cleric should be less flexible than a LG cleric?
In other words a Cleric of Helm (pardon the shift in camapign worlds) who is played as trying to protect the rest of the party and not as some fanatic to the letter of the law is worse than a Paladin being played as a fanatic who ignores the rest of the party when they're willing to let some captives live in return for information about their local whereas he immediately kills them for any or absolutely no provocation just because he thinks being a paladin allows him to as part of his code?
Sorry a sore point with me as I used to run LG characters all the time and ran this character because the DM started "fixing" my character's actions deliberately lying when I pointed out that wasn't what I said and not including the attack of opportunity pulled ona diving dragon with a control water spell he then said a week later didn't surprise the dragon so he could then ignore the fact it couldn't use its dragon breath and pull up before crashing...
I'm not an xp hog, I just tend to like saving the rest of the party which became harder as he began pulling all sorts of shenagins none of which was necessary just his way of remaining the top dog...
Oh dear, done it again and I missed last nights game session as well...

 

[kenobi65]

So would you say a LN Cleric should be less flexible than a LG cleric?

I think it has less to do with alignment than with the portfolio and dogma of the deity.

In other words a Cleric of Helm (pardon the shift in camapign worlds) who is played as trying to protect the rest of the party and not as some fanatic to the letter of the law is worse than a Paladin being played as a fanatic who ignores the rest of the party when they're willing to let some captives live in return for information about their local whereas he immediately kills them for any or absolutely no provocation just because he thinks being a paladin allows him to as part of his code?

Breathe, dude! Use commas, or periods, or something!!

 

[kenobi65]

Isn't Wee Jas also in that alignment slot? Or did they want at least two for the non-True Neutral alignments?

Good point, though they've represented her as LN, shading towards evil, while they represent St. Cuthbert as LN, but only accepting LN and LG clerics.

 

[kenobi65]

They did some wierd stuff with the Greyhawk gods when they shoehorned them into the PHB. Like making Heironeous's favored weapon a longsword. Its always been a battleaxe. He himself carries an axe the grows and shrinks.

Well, sort of. They added longsword to his list of favored weapons; at least in Deities & Demigods (IIRC), he still has battleaxe, too.

 

[grodog]

For some good advice on playing devotees of Hieronious, search for Hieronious' materials on Canonfire! @ http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=51

 

[Vennettai]

Thanks for bringing it back to my topic grodog.

Would a cleric of Hieronious ask his enemies if they would like to repent for there sins before he killed them. or would that not work.

it is a survival horror campaign and the dm said we would be fighting alot of undead. So i doubt i can ask them if they want to repent. lol. Maybe the intelligent ones.

Also would a Cleric of hieronious sit at a bar and drink with his companions. Would he let stealling go moreso than a Paladin.

If you guys could help me out with stuff like that that would be really usefull

 

[Sunderstone]

Would he let stealling go moreso than a Paladin.

Theres alot of ways too look at this but first.... is that Player knowledge or did your Cleric see him steal?
If its player knowledge let it go. If it isnt you need to examine it closer.

Some things to consider (at least the way I would look at it if I was a LG Cleric of Heironeous...

How well do you know your companion? How long has he traveled with you? Do you think its his intent to profit "no matter the cost" and at the expense of others regardless if they are decent folk? does he have some redeeming morals?

If your character thinks he is good overall, then try to look at it as being his "way" through life. Its what he knows, its how he has survived, etc. You can roleplay trying to get him to better himself. At the same token, you should also consider that as a Rogue, he benefits the party, he has a place in the world just as the most good and just people have a place in the world.

If you think his motives totally unpure, you should confront him in a forceful but non-violent manner, and you might want to bring this to the attention of your whole party as well. I probably would roleplay a semi-cold attitude toward the rogue at this point until he would change his ways or at least halt the unecessary questionable activities in my presence. If he persisted in showing his disrespect by continuing his illicit activities I would move for him to be removed from the party or I would have my character remove himself from the party (being true to my interpretation of the character no matter the cost).

This has happened to my group before, the "either he goes or I go" scenario. Its a hell of a roleplaying opportunity, but it could lead to one of you having to leave the party and create a new character ... so if you go this route beware. We had fun with this when it happened to us and my players are great handling this kind of issue, even if they have to let go of a character for that character's convictions.


Hope that helps

 

[grodog]

Thanks for bringing it back to my topic grodog.

De nada

Would a cleric of Hieronious ask his enemies if they would like to repent for there sins before he killed them. or would that not work.
it is a survival horror campaign and the dm said we would be fighting alot of undead. So i doubt i can ask them if they want to repent. lol. Maybe the intelligent ones.

Sounds like you already answered your own Q Vennattai. I guess it would depend on how you were playing the PC---your take on his faith, outlook on life, etc., since that can really vary how a character is played. In terms of undead, I would be likely to play the PC to be pretty hard on them, and that by putting them out of their misery, that would be the most honorable, spiritually good thing that could be done for them. Especially in a dark/horror game.

Also would a Cleric of hieronious sit at a bar and drink with his companions. Would he let stealling go moreso than a Paladin.

Again, depends on alignment/attitude. If you're playing 3.x, Hieronious' clerics can be LG, LN, or NG IIRC, so a NG PC would less concern for the law per se than a LG or LN one, but would still believe in doing Good, so I can't imagine such clerics generally letting such dishonorable activities slide. Hieronious is the model god for paladins, so I would think that his clerics would, in general, be more paladin-like than not (especially the lawful ones).