Cloak of Mage Armor

[Nifft]

Something tells me at this point this has become trying to beat down a brick wall with your head. Eventually you just get bloody and stupid.

Don't let that stop you! (It's fun to watch.)

Cheers, -- N

 

[Will]

Sometimes the only way to win the game is not to play.

 

[VanRichten]

Or maybe take over the game and not let Slaved play

 

[kreynolds]

To me it seems strange that it possible to create something that will grant a continuous +4 to AC for only 2000 gp... I'm sure I'm missing something.

I would allow this. For 1cp, even. Because I like copper. I had a dog named Copper once. I liked him too.

Anywho, basically, what everyone else said about following the pricing for Bracers of Armor. Some might want to impose a slot affinity penalty on such a cloak, but I wouldn't (and having nothing to do with my like of copper or my former dog).

 

[Rystil Arden]

Oh please, you're superb compared to an American like me who fails utterly to distinguish between those squiggle-picture-thingies y'all use.

(Well, except this one: の which is obviously a partial differential.)

"No kidding", -- N

そうですねえ。私も新岡田さんは英語がすごくお上手だと思います。それに日本語がとっても難しいだから私はあまり分かりません。でもブレイサーズオフアルマーはべつに高くないんです。　

In other words, I agree with everyone who's saying that Bracers of Armour are reasonably priced for the correct buyer. Of course, I still usually try to find someone to cast Mage Armour until I'm looking at needing the +5 or higher Bracers, but I certainly wouldn't balk at receiving them as treasure (if the price is high by so much, Slaved, as you suggest more than a factor of 2, then everyone who finds them should be selling them and buying something else with the proceeds).

 

[Hypersmurf]

The Spell treats the Clothing as being Armor with no Armor Bonus and gives that Clothing an Enhancement Bonus. The Bracers are part of this Clothing and give an Armor Bonus. The Armor Bonus from the Bracers Stack with the Enhancement Bonus from the Spell.

Either the Bracers are part of the clothing, or they're not.

Either way, when Magic Vestment adds an enhancement bonus to clothing, it adds it to 'no armor bonus'.

So it's either enhancing the clothing, including the Bracers, as an enhancement to 'no armor bonus'; or it's enhancing the clothing, excluding the Bracers, as an enhancement to 'no armor bonus' that doesn't go anywhere near the Bracers.

What it doesn't do is enhance the +X armor bonus the Bracers provide as a wondrous item. As far as the spell is concerned, clothes (whether they're including Bracers or not) never have an armor bonus.

-Hyp.

 

[Elethiomel]

With a 17 Starting Dexterity Score the rest of your Ability Scores would suffer unless you are playing with a High Point Buy.

Yes.

You would be better off buying up your Armor Class with other Items long before Inherant Bonuses to Dexterity became an Issue! 36000 for Bracers of Armor +6 and 36000 for an Enhancement to Dexterity +6 is rather a lot even when you have 150000 to play with!

You don't need to buy Bracers of Armor +6.

Catfolk are Medium Creatures which puts your Strength Score at a Minimum of 8. Is 1 Pound versus 5 Pounds truly a Big Problem?

No, but it is a difference. I wish I hadn't mentioned it now, since it gave you an excuse to ignore a more important point.

With the 11000 Gold you would save from the Bracers of Armor you could get an Enhancement to Strength of +2!!

And which slot would that take? The gloves? Sorry, dex. Bracers? Sorry, Bracers of Armor. Belt? Sorry, con. etc. And who says I'm buying bracers of armor +6?

You can even add Easy Travel to it from the Magic Item Compendium for 1500 which would allow you to Carry up to your Medium Load without incurring Penalties and March for 10 Hours per Day before making Constitution Checks!!!

Yes, I know this. However, class features that only work "while wearing light or no armor and carrying no more than a light load" would still stop working when you're above your light load, even if you still move as quickly.

You still haven't addressed the point that with sacrificing other ability scores to get a high DEX, the incoroporeal touch attack protection becomes even more important than it otherwise is.

 

[Slaved]

Either the Bracers are part of the clothing, or they're not.

Either way, when Magic Vestment adds an enhancement bonus to clothing, it adds it to 'no armor bonus'.

So it's either enhancing the clothing, including the Bracers, as an enhancement to 'no armor bonus'; or it's enhancing the clothing, excluding the Bracers, as an enhancement to 'no armor bonus' that doesn't go anywhere near the Bracers.

What it doesn't do is enhance the +X armor bonus the Bracers provide as a wondrous item. As far as the spell is concerned, clothes (whether they're including Bracers or not) never have an armor bonus.

-Hyp.

Either way it is an Enhancement Bonus on the Item which Stacks with the Armor Bonus of the Item. Why do you Choose to Ignore the Stacking Rules?

 

[Slaved]

You don't need to buy Bracers of Armor +6.

So? If they are below +6 some amount of Gold is still saved by using the Armor instead!! You could get the Extra Items and Enhancements I mentioned all the way down to about Bracers of Armor +3.

And which slot would that take? The gloves? Sorry, dex. Bracers? Sorry, Bracers of Armor. Belt? Sorry, con. etc.

Enhancement Bonuses to Ability Scores can be Added to any Item without the Extra Ability Cost.

Yes, I know this. However, class features that only work "while wearing light or no armor and carrying no more than a light load" would still stop working when you're above your light load, even if you still move as quickly.

When Wearing Armor that has this Property, you can Carry up to a Medium Load as if it were a Light Load

You still haven't addressed the point that with sacrificing other ability scores to get a high DEX, the incoroporeal touch attack protection becomes even more important than it otherwise is.

A High Dexterity Score already Protects against Incorporeal Touch Attacks. What Extra Protection are you wanting over someone who did not put as much Effort into Dexterity?? How about you Buy that Cheap Item that I already mentioned earlier in this Thread?? 3000 Gold Pieces and Incorporeal Attackers have a -10 Penalty on Touch Attacks against your Character!!

 

[Hypersmurf]

Either way it is an Enhancement Bonus on the Item which Stacks with the Armor Bonus of the Item.

One way, it's an enhancement bonus on the item which stacks with the armor bonus of that item for the purposes of the Magic Vestment spell, which is 'none'.

The other way, it's an enhancement bonus on one item, which doesn't stack with the armor bonus on a different item.

Either way, it's not an enhancement bonus that stacks with the +X armor bonus granted by Bracers of Armor, because it doesn't enhance that armor bonus.

If the Bracers are part of the outfit of clothing, their armor bonus for the purpose of the Magic Vestment spell is 'none'. If they aren't part of the outfit of clothing, they're not a valid target for Magic Vestment.

There isn't a way to cast Magic Vestment on the Bracers with them being treated for the purposes of the spell as having an armor bonus that isn't 'none'.

-Hyp.