Nonlethal Force
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Actually, that was the first post I've made since 24 hours ago, too.
P.S. please see edit to my previous post.
P.S. please see edit to my previous post.
Clutches of Evil - OOC Thread
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unleashed
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Daz, I'd advise you to check out Trouble posting and/or staying logged in?, or if that's no help post something about your problem in the Meta Forum, as I didn't see anything there about it in the recent posts.
Nonlethal Force
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I've not encountered any problems - although I have read up on a few threads where people are since the site crashed. But I don't know if there is anything official happening. My thought is like Unleashed - check out the Meta Forum and if there is nothing there addressing your issue post a thread explaining what is happening. The mods are really good at checking that forum frequently.
Nonlethal Force said:
I've been having less time to post on weekends of late (and you're right, I had an extended weekend yesterday). I should have warned you. Always feel free to NPC me if the plot's stuck waiting for me; I'll never take offense so long as you don't NPC me to jump off a cliff.
In this case, I thought I was actually covered with my OOC sblock in the last post saying I was cool with cutting to morning. Sorry about the delay / misunderstanding.And I have no problem with the new books, other than my not having them myself.
jason
Nonlethal Force
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Ah, no problem at all, jkason. Wasn't necessarily waiting for you - more like realizing that after holiday weekends people may ned a day or two to catch their lives back up to speed. Don't feel like you were holding up the game. I was the one doing that!
Anyhow, I've decided to give mg2001 till Friday to show.
As far as the new books go, jkason, there is nothing dire you need to know in them. If you are curious about something, just ask. I will take a moment to explain the rebuilding/retraining.
[Sblock=Retraining]This method gives a legitimate way to change small aspects of your earlier character decisions: Class Feature, Feat, Language, Skill, Spell, Substitution Level. The catch is that you must be able to prove that it could have been possible to take the new option at the level when you took the option you desire to change. For example, if you are currently an 8th level fighter and took Weapon Finesse as your 1st level fighter bonus feat you can't decide to take out Weapon Finesse and insert Greater Weapon Focus. THis is because you took Weapon Finesse as a 1st level fighter and Greater Weapon Focus is not available at that level. Another example might be a paladin wanting to swap out their 1st level or 3rd level feat for a Divine Feat later on but not being elligible because a paladin doesn't get the ability to turn undead until 4th level.
The other rules for Retraining are as follows:
1. At each level you may select one and only one of the six aspects listed above to change.
2. In the case of changing a spell, characters with the ability to spontaneously cast spells may change from the class ability and from retraining in the same level.
3. Your new choice may not make any later choices invalid. For example, if you take Two-Weapon Fighting and then take Two-Weapon Defense you may no longer change Two-Weapon Fighting because it is a prerequisite for Two-Weapon Defense. However, if on one level you change Two-Weapon Defense to something else you could then change Two-Weapon fighting on the following level.
Specifics that supercede the above rules:
Changing Class Features: A change to a class feature changes everything related within the class. For example, if a ranger wanted to change from TWF to archery focus, she would be allowed to change the 2nd level benefit. However, this would also force a change in the choices made at the 6th and 11th level. If a specialist wizard wants to change their schools, they may change both the specialist school and the prohibited schools in the same level. However, they may not make any spell changes and any spells in their spellbook that are of a newly chosen prohibted school still take up space but are now prohibited from being cast.
Changing Languages:Any language (including racial languages) may be swapped for any other language known to the character. There are no restrictions other than only one language per level may be changed.
Changing Skill Ranks:Any player may subtract up to four ranks in one skill and add them as ranks in another skill provided that the new skill is a class skill for at least one of the character's classes. It does not matter where the original skill is class or cross class. If it is a cross class, the extra skill points spent are simply lost.
Changing Spells/Powers/Invocations:A character may choose to change 2 spells at each level. The new spells chosen must be of the same level as the ones they are replacing.
Changing Substitution Levels:No need to worry about this one as the books with substitution levels are not allowed in game.[/Sblock]
[Sblock=Rebuilding]Rebuilding allows much more drastic changes to a character in that it allows changes to: ability scores, class levels, background, templates, or even race. Because some of these changes are rather drastic - this option is only permitted through a special quest and must be arranged well beforehand with the DM. There is no limit to how much rebuilding occurs on a character - all proposed changes must be agreed before the quest begins by both the player and the DM.
Changing Ability Scores:Any number of ability scores may be changed. Reducing even scores to odd scores gain less benefit because the effect on the character is minimal. As with retraining, you cannot reduce an ability score that would make another part of your character invalid. Use the following tables to tabulate changes:
Changing Character Class: Changing levels in a Prestige Class still requires the prerequisites to be able to be met by the unchanged class levels. If changing levels disqualifies the character for levels of a Prestige Class that the character does not wish to change, the character loses all special abilities/casting abilities until such a point that the characer meets the prerequisites again.
Changing Race: The race of the cahracter changes along with any racial features/ability modifiers. If the change in race makes any feats/PrC invalid those feats/PrC still take up the slots but the character loses access to them. Changes in LA for a given race can imply a loss of class levels or an addition of class levels depending on which LA is greater.
Template Rebuilding: Simply add/subtract the template as necessary. Any changes to ECL need to be discussed with the DM.[/Sblock]
Anyhow, I've decided to give mg2001 till Friday to show.
As far as the new books go, jkason, there is nothing dire you need to know in them. If you are curious about something, just ask. I will take a moment to explain the rebuilding/retraining.
[Sblock=Retraining]This method gives a legitimate way to change small aspects of your earlier character decisions: Class Feature, Feat, Language, Skill, Spell, Substitution Level. The catch is that you must be able to prove that it could have been possible to take the new option at the level when you took the option you desire to change. For example, if you are currently an 8th level fighter and took Weapon Finesse as your 1st level fighter bonus feat you can't decide to take out Weapon Finesse and insert Greater Weapon Focus. THis is because you took Weapon Finesse as a 1st level fighter and Greater Weapon Focus is not available at that level. Another example might be a paladin wanting to swap out their 1st level or 3rd level feat for a Divine Feat later on but not being elligible because a paladin doesn't get the ability to turn undead until 4th level.
The other rules for Retraining are as follows:
1. At each level you may select one and only one of the six aspects listed above to change.
2. In the case of changing a spell, characters with the ability to spontaneously cast spells may change from the class ability and from retraining in the same level.
3. Your new choice may not make any later choices invalid. For example, if you take Two-Weapon Fighting and then take Two-Weapon Defense you may no longer change Two-Weapon Fighting because it is a prerequisite for Two-Weapon Defense. However, if on one level you change Two-Weapon Defense to something else you could then change Two-Weapon fighting on the following level.
Specifics that supercede the above rules:
Changing Class Features: A change to a class feature changes everything related within the class. For example, if a ranger wanted to change from TWF to archery focus, she would be allowed to change the 2nd level benefit. However, this would also force a change in the choices made at the 6th and 11th level. If a specialist wizard wants to change their schools, they may change both the specialist school and the prohibited schools in the same level. However, they may not make any spell changes and any spells in their spellbook that are of a newly chosen prohibted school still take up space but are now prohibited from being cast.
Changing Languages:Any language (including racial languages) may be swapped for any other language known to the character. There are no restrictions other than only one language per level may be changed.
Changing Skill Ranks:Any player may subtract up to four ranks in one skill and add them as ranks in another skill provided that the new skill is a class skill for at least one of the character's classes. It does not matter where the original skill is class or cross class. If it is a cross class, the extra skill points spent are simply lost.
Changing Spells/Powers/Invocations:A character may choose to change 2 spells at each level. The new spells chosen must be of the same level as the ones they are replacing.
Changing Substitution Levels:No need to worry about this one as the books with substitution levels are not allowed in game.[/Sblock]
[Sblock=Rebuilding]Rebuilding allows much more drastic changes to a character in that it allows changes to: ability scores, class levels, background, templates, or even race. Because some of these changes are rather drastic - this option is only permitted through a special quest and must be arranged well beforehand with the DM. There is no limit to how much rebuilding occurs on a character - all proposed changes must be agreed before the quest begins by both the player and the DM.
Changing Ability Scores:Any number of ability scores may be changed. Reducing even scores to odd scores gain less benefit because the effect on the character is minimal. As with retraining, you cannot reduce an ability score that would make another part of your character invalid. Use the following tables to tabulate changes:
Code:
Reducing a score … Improving a score…
Old Score New Score Points Gained Old Score New Score Points Spent
30 29 9 30 31 10
29 28 7 29 30 9
28 27 8 28 29 9
27 26 6 27 28 8
26 25 7 26 27 8
25 24 5 25 26 7
24 23 6 24 25 7
23 22 4 23 24 6
22 21 5 22 23 6
21 20 3 21 22 5
20 19 4 20 21 5
19 18 2 19 20 4
18 17 3 18 19 4
17 16 1 17 18 3
16 15 2 16 17 3
15 14 1 15 16 2
14 13 1 14 15 2
13 12 1 13 14 1
12 11 1 12 13 1
11 10 1 11 12 1
10 9 1 10 11 1
9 8 1 9 10 1Changing Character Class: Changing levels in a Prestige Class still requires the prerequisites to be able to be met by the unchanged class levels. If changing levels disqualifies the character for levels of a Prestige Class that the character does not wish to change, the character loses all special abilities/casting abilities until such a point that the characer meets the prerequisites again.
Changing Race: The race of the cahracter changes along with any racial features/ability modifiers. If the change in race makes any feats/PrC invalid those feats/PrC still take up the slots but the character loses access to them. Changes in LA for a given race can imply a loss of class levels or an addition of class levels depending on which LA is greater.
Template Rebuilding: Simply add/subtract the template as necessary. Any changes to ECL need to be discussed with the DM.[/Sblock]
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Nonlethal Force
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Okay ... I'll be working Pwent out of the party shortly - perhaps in the post after the next one someone else posts. That means I am letting you guys make a decision. Look for a replacement or move on without him. It honestly doesn't matter to me.
If the party does want to look for a replacement, sitting in an inn/tavern is a very likely place to do such a task. This could be an opportunity to look for a character with some kind of experience in mines as a way to get into one, too. But, if the party wants to move on without a replacement that is perfectly acceptable. It is quite possible to get into the mines with the party skill as present - once the party tries to figure out how. So don't feel like you have to recruit to get into the mines.
Ultimately, you all are the characters. So its your decision to recruit a replacement or not. Just expect Pwent to be gone in short order.
If the party does want to look for a replacement, sitting in an inn/tavern is a very likely place to do such a task. This could be an opportunity to look for a character with some kind of experience in mines as a way to get into one, too. But, if the party wants to move on without a replacement that is perfectly acceptable. It is quite possible to get into the mines with the party skill as present - once the party tries to figure out how. So don't feel like you have to recruit to get into the mines.
Ultimately, you all are the characters. So its your decision to recruit a replacement or not. Just expect Pwent to be gone in short order.
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