D&D 3E/3.5 Complaining about 3.5 weapon size rules

[Hypersmurf]

Okay... getting away from exact mechanics, would you allow a wizard to use a weapon weighing ten to fifteen pounds one handed? Realistically?

Please don't site that 3.5 has solved it when 3.0 did as well. A large weapon would require a human wizard to use two hands to wield. he wasn't trained to use a two handed dagger (most humans aren't) so odds are he couldn't use this one.

But you're claiming that "two handed dagger" and "one handed dagger" are different proficiencies. They're not; you are proficient in "dagger", or you aren't.

Yes, the Medium wizard would have to wield a 3E Large dagger in two hands. But it's still a dagger, and he's proficient with daggers.

You've already said a 3E halfling rogue would be proficient with both Small and Medium rapiers. It's exactly the same thing.

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Alternatively, by a variant rule in the 3.5e DMG, the Ogre's Dagger may be considered a Human Shortsword.

Amusingly, however, an Ogre can't wield a human shortsword. It's 'smaller than light' for him, and thus too small to wield.

-Hyp.

 

[Plane Sailing]

A Large dagger deals 2d6 19-20/x2 Piercing damage, and has a 10' range increment.

Surely the range increment isn't down to the Large Dagger, it is down to the Large Ogre wielding it.

 

[Darmanicus]

I solved the problem by getting rid of all the short races. I never much liked "comedy relief" in my fantasy anyway. Many an old fantasy cartoon was ruined by some small, silly character.

Hehehehehe, I like.

The short races are a problem in my campaign but nothing a little culling wouldn't put right!

 

[Hypersmurf]

Surely the range increment isn't down to the Large Dagger, it is down to the Large Ogre wielding it.

Hmm? Range increment is a feature of the weapon, not the wielder.

Savaeg Species (I think? Maybe A&EG?) introduced a rule where the range increment increased or decreased by 25% as the size category changed, so under that system, the Large dagger might even have a range increment of 15 feet.

Regardless of whether it's a human, an ogre, or a titan throwing it. (Remember, in 3E, a Large dagger was a dagger designed for a Gargantuan creature, not a Large creature.)

-Hyp.

 

[Storyteller01]

You've already said a 3E halfling rogue would be proficient with both Small and Medium rapiers. It's exactly the same thing.

-Hyp.

I had mentioned that according to 3e rules he could. You'd still have the same problem (with the same solution).

 

[Storyteller01]

Hehehehehe, I like.

The short races are a problem in my campaign but nothing a little culling wouldn't put right!

Poor little dudes!!!!

(We gather here to mourn the passing of Lidda...)

 

[Storyteller01]

Hmm? Range increment is a feature of the weapon, not the wielder.

Savaeg Species (I think? Maybe A&EG?) introduced a rule where the range increment increased or decreased by 25% as the size category changed, so under that system, the Large dagger might even have a range increment of 15 feet.

Regardless of whether it's a human, an ogre, or a titan throwing it. (Remember, in 3E, a Large dagger was a dagger designed for a Gargantuan creature, not a Large creature.)

-Hyp.

But then you come back to the same arguement. Can a human really throw a large dagger 10 feet accurately (it's not the same as an axe, which can be in reality. Ever see a two handed axe throwing contest. Guys take the spades out of playing cards!!!)

 

[Hypersmurf]

I had mentioned that according to 3e rules he could.

Exactly. He is proficient in 'rapier', and can thus wield the Medium rapier (with two hands) and the Small rapier (with one hand).

Just as the wizard, proficient in 'dagger', can wield the Tiny dagger (as a light weapon) and the Large dagger (with two hands).

Can a human really throw a large dagger 10 feet accurately?

By the 3E rules? Sure.

By the 3.5 rules, a dagger scaled up two size categories would take a -4 inappropriate size penalty; the same penalty (though for a different reason) as throwing a greatsword ten feet as an improvised thrown weapon.

-Hyp.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Hmm? Range increment is a feature of the weapon, not the wielder.

Understood now. I somehow misread range increment as reach. Duh.

Cheers