ivocaliban
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Pre-ordering this from Amazon is turning into a long wait. It's not even listed as released yet on their website. They have the date listed as February 5, 2005. :\
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Dalamar
Adventurer
So... we wouldn't have this argument if Shot on the Run and Spring Attack had originally been worded "As a full-round action, you can move your speed, and make a single attack during any point of your move" instead of "When taking the attack action, you can move both before and after the attack, provided the total distance moved isn't greater than your speed"? Because it is those two feats that determined an attack action, not the Manyshot or Dual Strike feats.
Funny note: making a full attack with a bow does not draw attacks of opportunity, if you take it that the listing for Attack (ranged) under the Standard actions is an action type of its own instead of a thing you can do as a standard action.
Funny note: making a full attack with a bow does not draw attacks of opportunity, if you take it that the listing for Attack (ranged) under the Standard actions is an action type of its own instead of a thing you can do as a standard action.
Psion
Adventurer
Hypersmurf said:
That is called out in the table of actions.
Shot on the Run says you can make a ranged attack in the middle of a move... but the FAQ says that it can't be combined with manyshot.
Are you not getting what I am seeing as the hangup here? For AoO, it's apparently safe to assume that we can read the properties of the ranged attack action and apply it to manyshot. But for applying manyshot to shot on the run, all the sudden, it is not. Do you not see the dichotomy?
Anyway, I sense I am repeating myself. It's my considered opinion if the intent of Manyshot was it not be used with shot on the run, that it be spelled out in the feat.
ivocaliban said:
Thats why I ordered mine from DiscountRPG. I can't understand how Amazon gets books in so later then everyone else. When the new Harry Potter book comes out in July, will the people that ordered it from Amazon have to wait a month before it ships?
http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=113363
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ivocaliban
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KenM said:
Well, I'll probably stick with www.stiggybaby.com. It's 30% off there and I've used them often in the past.
Dimwhit
Explorer
I did the same. I'm thinking that they'll still ship before Feb, they just haven't updated the date. I ordered it along with Complete Arcane with the free supersaver shipping. But then, I'm not horribly rushed. But I like the $39 for both, no shipping or tax added on.ivocaliban said:
Ankh-Morpork Guard
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Don't get your hopes up. Amazon has a habit of getting new releases a few weeks later than everyone else.Dimwhit said:
Hypersmurf
Moderatarrrrh...
Dalamar said:
Yes, it does.
The Full Attack action doesn't by itself, but attacking with a bow is 'attacking with a ranged weapon' - specifically given as an example of something that draws an AoO in the text for Attacks of Opportunity.
It's the same reason that Manyshot draws an AoO - you're not taking the Attack (ranged) action, but you are attacking with a ranged weapon.
Psion said:
Well, no, it isn't. The Attack (Ranged) action is, but Manyshot doesn't use the Attack (Ranged) action. It's a standard action... but because it's an attack with a ranged weapon, it draws an AoO per the text of AoOs. Since the standard action used by Manyshot doesn't appear on the Table of Action Types, it can't be from that table that we determine whether or not it provokes an AoO.
No, it doesn't. It says you can move both before and after the attack, when taking the attack action with a ranged weapon.
The FAQ restates what already exists in the Core Rules. Manyshot is not the attack action with a ranged weapon; that's why it can't be combined with Shot on the Run.
Why on earth would we do that? I'm not. I don't think the AoO properties of the Attack (Ranged) action apply to Manyshot at all.
I think the fact that you're attacking with a ranged weapon means that Manyshot provokes an AoO. I'm not referencing the Attack action at all, simply reading the text for Attacks of Opportunity.
-Hyp.
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RonYon said:
Both of these pairs of classes (Shadowbane Inquisitor and Shadowbane Stalker; Daggerspell Mage and Daggerspell Shaper) are members of organizations that team specific classes.
The Daggerspell Guards (the organization) are arcane casters and Druids that are allied and have developed specific skills (presented as PrCs). The Daggerspell mage class requires arcane casting.
The Shadowbane Inquisitors and Shadowbane Rogues are allied Paladins and Rogues, which act as a strike force against evil (both mundane criminals and monsters). The alignment requirement is Lawful Good. Neither of the two Shadowbane classes advances Turning ability.
[Edit: That's as they are written. Nothing says you cannot take the idea and run with it, modifying it to suit your campaign. ]
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