Complete Arcane: Superior Invisibility

[Trainz]

If a wizard casts the spell Superior Invisibility from Complete Arcane p. 125, can he still cast spells with verbal components ? The spell mentions that it prevents sound...

 

[MoonZar]

If a wizard casts the spell Superior Invisibility from Complete Arcane p. 125, can he still cast spells with verbal components ? The spell mentions that it prevents sound...

According to me you could.

I think that illusion spell affect the brain of your opponent and not you. That mean, the brain of your opponent think that you're invisible. So if this only affect the brain of your opponent why this would prevent you from casting verbal component spells ?

 

[Hypersmurf]

I think that illusion spell affect the brain of your opponent and not you. That mean, the brain of your opponent think that you're invisible. So if this only affect the brain of your opponent why this would prevent you from casting verbal component spells ?

It's a glamer, isn't it? Not a phantasm. It doesn't affect anyone's mind (hence the lack of the [mind-affecting] descriptor).

Glamers don't make people think anything. They "change the subject's sensory qualities". It changes you - the subject - into a person-who-makes-no-sound.

(I'm away from my books, so if Superior Invisibility is in fact a phantasm, ignore all that.)

-Hyp.

 

[MoonZar]

It's a glamer, isn't it? Not a phantasm. It doesn't affect anyone's mind (hence the lack of the [mind-affecting] descriptor).

Glamers don't make people think anything. They "change the subject's sensory qualities". It changes you - the subject - into a person-who-makes-no-sound.

(I'm away from my books, so if Superior Invisibility is in fact a phantasm, ignore all that.)

-Hyp.

But does the character body is truly invisible ? I mean if the body was truly invisible, this sound more a transmutation spell according to me because this change the body.

This why i thought, that ilusion spells affect directly the sensory qualities of the enemy, who don't see you anymore because you affected him and not you.

Well, this just a interpretation of mine, i dont know any rules that could confirm this.

Do you find it an interresting theory or i'm completly lost ?

 

[Hypersmurf]

But does the character body is truly invisible ?

Yes.

It's just like the Silence spell - it actually makes things silent. It's not just making you think it's silent. That's why spells that deal Sonic damage can't hurt you in a Silence spell.

This why i thought, that ilusion spells affect directly the sensory qualities of the enemy, who don't see you anymore because you affected him and not you.

In that case, he would be the target. He isn't - you are.

Sean K Reynolds wrote briefly on the topic.

-Hyp.

 

[MoonZar]

Wow Thanks you for the reference i'll read it

 

[Trainz]

Sooo....

... can the wizard cast verbal spells if he is under the effect of a superior invisibility ?

 

[MoonZar]

Sooo....

... can the wizard cast verbal spells if he is under the effect of a superior invisibility ?

I think they make a mistake in this spell, they say that the spell prevent the casting of somatic component, i think they mean verbal component. Let's see in the errata...

 

[MoonZar]

Nothing in the errata about this...

Anyway they say as crystal clear that you can't speak, so obviously you can't use verbal component according to me.

hey i'm from montreal too

 

[youspoonybard]

I'm fine with it not allowing V spells.

It's still crazy good...silent spell, anyone?