Complete Arcane: Too Much Wu-Jen?!?

[Doctor Bomb]

Incoporeal Fey with cold iron DR should be about right,or "dryad" like Kami that are linked to thier place of potency, rather than just an oak tree.

There was a thread about creature types that popped up about a month ago, some interesting ideas were put forth there (I like the incorporeal fey idea! Like Ghosts, but not undead - perhaps powered by positive energy?)

Good for us Asian-themed gamers. Sucks for others.

FWIW, I picked up Complete Arcane specifically FOR the Wu Jen. I am too lazy/busy to convert all the Wu Jen stuff from OA for the 2 or 3 times a year my campaign ends up in an Oriental setting.

My bone to pick is that I already have the warmage! I would like to have seen the warmage and/or hexblade in Complete Arcane, and maybe the Gladiator and perhaps a Knight class in their place in Complete Warrior (there was really only one warrior in that book, the Samurai.) I may look into mixing the Warlock and Hexblade for my campaign... cool ideas with a similar theme.

 

[Saeviomagy]

I'd just like to point out that a significant chunk of the cleric's high-level spells are just different-aligned versions of the same thing: Holy word/Blasphemy/Dictum/Word of Chaos, Cloak of Chaos/Shield of Law/Holy Aura/Unholy Aura, and so on. The druid doesn't have the strong alignment ties the cleric does, so he doesn't have to deal with that redundancy.

21 spells have that.

On the other hand, I didn't include domain spells when I did my comparison, so there's quite a few spells that the cleric can get that the druid cannot.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

1: I agree too many wu-jen only spells.
2: something I found odd was the spells that were wu-jen only. Yeah the spirit ones I get but ice knife that was originally a wizard spell in the 2e wizards kit book, wall of bones another wizard spell previously, yet transfix initially a wu-jen spell in 2e is now a wiz/sor spell and not a wu-jen spell.

Way too many of the wu-jen only spells were basic attack spells that fit a wiz/sor theme just as well, or a druids theme or whatever. There were few and far between that said asian spellcaster themed spell here.

Whether the numbers are too high or not(IMO too high)doesn't change that the selection of ones that were wu-jen only was poorly done.

 

[coyote6]

Yeah, ice knife is weird; it was a Sor/Wiz spell in Tome & Blood.

The belt of many pockets is still overpriced. And I still think familiar pocket ought to be 1st level.

 

[hong]

Nope, he casts less per day, has a smaller list, and selects half of that smaller list from spells which are lower level for other classes.

Non casting ones. The druid's focus is diluted from casting.

D00d, the druid gets 9th level spells, 20 caster levels in 20 character levels, and has a comparable number of spells per day to a cleric or wiz, plus or minus a margin of error. Please to stop digging your hole.

I like the druid, a lot. But when I think of making a druid character, spellcasting is not the primary reason, unlike for wizards, sorcerors or clerics.

Which proves that the druid has lots of powers in addition to being a full casting class. Which proves (or at least is strong prima facie evidence), incidentally, that the druid is broken.

 

[NilesB]

1: I agree too many wu-jen only spells.
2: something I found odd was the spells that were wu-jen only. Yeah the spirit ones I get but ice knife that was originally a wizard spell in the 2e wizards kit book, wall of bones another wizard spell previously, yet transfix initially a wu-jen spell in 2e is now a wiz/sor spell and not a wu-jen spell.

Ice knife was originally a Wu Jen spell back in first edition, Wall of Bone too.

Second Edition pfah.