Complete Arcane: Too Much Wu-Jen?!?

[fafhrd]

What I meant is that he casts as many and as high-level spells as a cleric. Which makes him a full caster.

What you might feel he lacks in spell diversity, he makes up with other abilities.

You might not like the druid, but it is still a full casting class.

If you factor in the domain spells, clerics get more per day than the druid. At higher levels both get more than the non-specialized wizard. They also tend to have more spells available than any but the most quill crazy and destitute wizard. Wizards are clearly not full casters.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

If you factor in the domain spells, clerics get more per day than the druid. At higher levels both get more than the non-specialized wizard. They also tend to have more spells available than any but the most quill crazy and destitute wizard. Wizards are clearly not full casters.

Clearly, though, since Sorcerers can cast so many spells, they are the ONLY full casters. So nyah to the rest of you!

 

[Abstraction]

I don't have my copy yet (damn you walmart!), so take what I say with a grain of salt. The druid in the PHB is a class that is available to be taken by, probably, 90% of gaming groups. The prestige classes in Complete Arcane are going to be available to 90% of gaming groups if they allow anything at all from Complete Arcane. The wu-jen is probably available to be taken by maybe 30 or 40% of gaming groups? If that? I haven't seen it and I can already tell you I will not be shoe-horning it into my game. So if there is as much of the book devoted to the wu-jen as reported, it seems like an awful lot for a class that will be pretty rarely used.

 

[coyote6]

Clearly, though, since Sorcerers can cast so many spells, they are the ONLY full casters. So nyah to the rest of you!

Ah, but sorcerers are severely limited in their spells known, so limited that it's nigh-impossible for them to cover all the spellcasting bases (transportation, buffing, direct-damage, defense, etc.). Therefore, sorcerers aren't full casters.

Thus, there are NO full spellcasting classes.

 

[Saeviomagy]

What I meant is that he casts as many and as high-level spells as a cleric. Which makes him a full caster.

Nope, he casts less per day, has a smaller list, and selects half of that smaller list from spells which are lower level for other classes.

What you might feel he lacks in spell diversity, he makes up with other abilities.

Non casting ones. The druid's focus is diluted from casting.

You might not like the druid, but it is still a full casting class.

I like the druid, a lot. But when I think of making a druid character, spellcasting is not the primary reason, unlike for wizards, sorcerors or clerics.

 

[Saeviomagy]

Just incidentally, there are 147 spells in CA, of which 48 are solely for Wujen.

Cheers!

You wouldn't have a count on how many spells are
a) wizard spells
b) wizard only spells
c) spells which are primarily wizard spells (ie - a wizard gets them at the lowest spell level)

would you?

 

[Felon]

Just incidentally, there are 147 spells in CA, of which 48 are solely for Wujen. Cheers!

So a third of the spells are wu-jen only. Which, despite some obtuse positions to the contrary, is way too many for most people's purposes. Suffice to say, the number of folks who bought CA for wu-jen material are far fewer than the folks who got it for wiz/sor material.

Oh well. At least the warmage can co-opt the evocation spells with his Advanced Learning ability. Now thanks to CA, it sounds like the wizard needs that class feature heh.

Thanks for offering up the count, Merric.

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

Wow. I thought it was an abnormally high number of WJ spells, but I had no idea it was 1/3. That's way too much! One of the designers must really like WJ or somethin'...

 

[Staffan]

He's got 169 spells, compared with 231. additionally, around about half of his higher level spells are available to either the cleric or wizard at a lower level. After all, he's got to give up SOMETHING for those non casting abilities that he gets.

I'd just like to point out that a significant chunk of the cleric's high-level spells are just different-aligned versions of the same thing: Holy word/Blasphemy/Dictum/Word of Chaos, Cloak of Chaos/Shield of Law/Holy Aura/Unholy Aura, and so on. The druid doesn't have the strong alignment ties the cleric does, so he doesn't have to deal with that redundancy.

 

[Ranger REG]

Wow. I thought it was an abnormally high number of WJ spells, but I had no idea it was 1/3. That's way too much! One of the designers must really like WJ or somethin'...

Good for us Asian-themed gamers. Sucks for others. FWIW, there isn't too many Asian-flavored products out there in market. Just ... Rokugan.

Besides, I'm getting sick and tired of the Vanilla-colored Eurocentric stuff dominating the RPG market.