Li Shenron
Legend
Do these make anything better? 
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DevoutlyApathetic
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Gort said:
Spikes? Spikes? How about Quill Blast? I can live with Spikes but Quill Blast is just stupid.
It's still a shame they didn't include Embrace the Wild, I've always loved that spell.
jodyjohnson
Adventurer
What would you say is wrong with Spikes and Quill Blast and how would folks fix them since they missed the errata.
Dr_Rictus
First Post
jodyjohnson said:
Well, last I checked spikes was one level lower than greater magic weapon and strictly better than it until caster level 12. I'm not convinced the touch range and restriction of it only working on wooden weapons comes close to justifying the power difference.
Spikes doesn't bother me. It's cool and all, but doesn't fundamentally change the way the game is played. It's a weapon booster, and somebody still has to use that weapon. Quill Blast is just ridiculous. To fix it, I think needs one major change and one minor change. The first is to remove the words "per quill" from the sentence "Lodged quills impose a -1 penalty on attacks, saves, and checks per quill." As it stands right now, the spell inflicts, on average, a -14 penalty to everything against a Huge creature. That's absurd (as is the -7 to everything against medium creatures - it's better than a maximized and empowered enervation).
The second change I'd make is to remove the variable number of quills, or the variable damage per quill. As it is now, the spell double dips on Empower and Maximize metamagic feats, it gets both more quills, and more damage per quill. Whereas a cone of cold (comparable level) gets 1.5 times as much damage from Empower, a quill blast gets 2.25 times as much damage. That's not right. Instead, it should either do a fixed number of quills (say 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 by size) or a fixed damage per quill (4 points perhaps). Especially since the spell is already overpowered by doing magical, non-elemental damage (no way to avoid it), and having a powerful secondary effect that's equivalent to a mass enervation spell.
The second change I'd make is to remove the variable number of quills, or the variable damage per quill. As it is now, the spell double dips on Empower and Maximize metamagic feats, it gets both more quills, and more damage per quill. Whereas a cone of cold (comparable level) gets 1.5 times as much damage from Empower, a quill blast gets 2.25 times as much damage. That's not right. Instead, it should either do a fixed number of quills (say 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 by size) or a fixed damage per quill (4 points perhaps). Especially since the spell is already overpowered by doing magical, non-elemental damage (no way to avoid it), and having a powerful secondary effect that's equivalent to a mass enervation spell.
jodyjohnson
Adventurer
Wow I've been misreading that spell. Mentally I've been combining the number of quills and the damage on the chart (1 quill for 1d6, 2 quills for 2d6, up to 4 quills for 4d6 to Huge+).
I'd probably just redo the chart 1 quill for <Tiny (1d6),2 for small (2d6),3 for medium (3d6),4 for large (4d6),5 for huge+ (5d6) and then leave the rest as written. Around Enervation grade penalties and up to Fireball grade damage without type (including non-proficient removal) as a 5th spell subject to SR and a Reflex save.
As a Conjuration (creation) spell it probably should not allow SR but be subject to DR and penetrate only DR/Piercing and DR/Magic.
I'd probably just redo the chart 1 quill for <Tiny (1d6),2 for small (2d6),3 for medium (3d6),4 for large (4d6),5 for huge+ (5d6) and then leave the rest as written. Around Enervation grade penalties and up to Fireball grade damage without type (including non-proficient removal) as a 5th spell subject to SR and a Reflex save.
As a Conjuration (creation) spell it probably should not allow SR but be subject to DR and penetrate only DR/Piercing and DR/Magic.
Ycore Rixle
First Post
I have to agree re: Quill Blast. This one needs to be fixed.
