Complete Warrior, anyone else afraid...?

[Psiblade]

I guess in a way, I am a fan of variety. I am definitely interested in the three new core classes (esp. the swashbuckler). The 36 prestige classes may be overwhelming, but if a particular one is broken it is usually apparent upon reading the class. When I DM, I decide if a particular PrC is allowed in after reviewing the PrC in detail. Also, reading this board helps out.


-Psiblade

 

[Valiantheart]

I do not fear, because I do not buy.

Perhaps my opinion will change when it is released, and the contents become widely known on ENWorld (it's what made or broke the Book of Exalted Deeds for me) , but for now I will wait. My group has more d20 material right now than we will use in the next 2 YEARS.

I could run Mutants and Masterminds, Arcana Unearthed, Cthulhu d20, D&D, d20 Modern, and d20 Star Wars until I'm 80 years old, in a nursing home savoring prune juice while kicking the wheel on my oxygen tank to adjust the flow.

Hopefully, I can get Piratecat transferred in as a roommate where he'll have no choice but to finish up those story hours while I listen.

Exactly my point. My money is better spent on Mutant and Mastermind swag from Green Ronin. At least it isnt recycled garbage. Now all i gotta do is find a group in Houston

 

[sithramir]

From the thread title? It might be easy to figure out if thread titles were accurately named. This one, called "Complete Warrior, anyone else afraid...?", could be a thread about.... anyone have a guess? Afraid of... what? Little did I know that it was penniless Pete preaching pointless prattle about revisions?

As for reading a first post, well, what a brilliant suggestion. Why, if the title isn't supposed to let you know what's inside, why not dive in to find out? Here's a better idea. How about a thread title which is a complaint that is not also a teaser? That's something that the original poster of this sad thread has not quite figured out yet. And so I was duped into witnessing yet another adolescent, teen-angst episode of "Wah! Those Evil Wizards!" -- an episode that becomes so much better when avoided completely.

Really, arnwyn. Before commenting on thread titles and posts, why don't you commend the original poster of this thread for his "descriptive title" that lured me here in the first place? Your focus is entirely on the wrong place when you talk of competence and posts.

Alas - shame on me for having standards... shame on me for not supporting the poor, hapless fellows whose lives are tortured over a single book with revisions.

Yes, I agree. Unfortunately I clicked on this thread to hear people complain about their un willingness to buy books. I'm sorry you don't want to have updated 3.5 PrC's in a book. Fine. I understand that you may want all new material but it would be a waste for them to print a smaller book of new stuff and another with updated or to just post them online as they'd never make any money ever and you'd have no books to buy anymore.

Maybe you should, instead, be supportive of the community and realize that they produce some great stuff and work hard and that their reprinting material helps a lot of people who aren't sure how things might update to 3.5 and having official rules on it is great. They are pleasing those people like me who DM and when a player wants to make a class that isn't quite updated, i don't have to spend time making my own version of updates to make sure it doesn't end up unbalanced.

I'm quite sorry you are so poor that spending 30 dollars on something you probably get hours upon hours of fun with which ends up being probably cheaper than most things you spend money to do on a per minute basis anyway. Don't. I'm not saying to not state your opinions but try to not do it in a manner that puts down such a great company. If you think it should be different start your own and never reprint stuff again.

 

[jester47]

I wish I had waited on Mini's handbook and underdark, though. I think that in the post diaspora WotC, all new releases are worthy of scrutiny.

I have been buying with extreme scrutiny since the Stronghold builder's guidebook. I liked Underdark, but I won't touch the BoED or the Minis Handbook with a 10 foot pole.

Partial updates are ok by me. Arms and equipment guide nailed all the equipment that I thought was cool from the splatbooks and got the mount rules. It looks like from whats listed that the complete warrior hits all the PrCs I want to keep, cause well, they are all listed in the example. Magic of Faerun Covered the magic stuff from Tome and Blood. And 3.5 got a lot of the PrCs I liked also.

I just hope its not B&W like Arms and Equipment. Probably will be though.

Aaron.

 

[Sirius_Black]

I wish I had waited on Mini's handbook and underdark, though. I think that in the post diaspora WotC, all new releases are worthy of scrutiny.

Interesting. I just finished taking a gander at Underdark. What did you find lacking or disappointing in it?

 

[SkidAce]

Well there is good points on both sides....

But I remember when they said "we learned our lesson about kits" and over doing splat books...hey we can fix it by coming out with 3rd edition...we can simplify etc....PrC are a good idea....

Then the new splatbooks rolled out. And PrCs rained from the sky.

Sometimes I wonder if they made 3.5 so they could reproduce their splatbooks.
Anyone else notice the similarity in name for the 3.5 warrior book and the first 2nd ed splatbook?


SkidAce
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[MerricB]

I don't mind Wizards producing the Complete Warrior, as long as they're trying to do a good job, and that they don't expect us all to buy it.

Oh, I know that I will get it, but I also expect that the CW will be much closer to my needs than the class books were. And, sad to say, I really want it in hardcover - for me, the increase in price is fully offset by the durability the hardcover gives it.

One trick that I have against "d20 product burnout" is to get only a handful of the non-WotC books (especially not anything by Mongoose). For a "traditional" campaign like mine, my players are inspired by the descriptions of certain classes and prestige classes in the WotC books, and I don't have to hunt down obscure books.

New base classes? Fantastic. Absolutely so. Sure, D&D could have stayed with the Fighting Man, Cleric and Magic-User, but it introduced new classes, and we were the richer for it. I feel the only thing you need to remember is that You Don't Have To Use It All.

My players are already really excited about the War Mage from the MHb; I really want to see a Marshal in action.

Cheers!

 

[Olive]

Am I the ONLY person in DnDdom who liked the Stronghold Builder's Guide?

Regardless, no fear from me over the Complete Warrior. It's supposed to have a lot of things new, not just PrCs and I suspect that I'll like the new PrCs.

I personally hate new core classes almost as much as I hate new npc classes, but the swashbuckler might just be a necessary one for that archtype as it's hard to survive as far as the duelist PrC.

 

[MerricB]

Am I the ONLY person in DnDdom who liked the Stronghold Builder's Guide?

No. I also like it.

I'd also like a book for running a realm, but I suspect that such does already exist in the world of d20.

Cheers!

 

[Derulbaskul]

Am I the ONLY person in DnDdom who liked the Stronghold Builder's Guide?

The three groups I DM also like this book. I agree that having rules for running a realm would also be nice but, IIRC, the only rules for this so far published have been by Mongoose and/or AEG and I simply won't buy products published by either (applying the, "three strikes and you're out"-rule).

On topic, I really do hope that CW doesn't contain the same number of egregious errors as Sword & Fist. Duplicated content doesn't worry me (I have no set RPG budget); errors do. S&F had two sets of errata for the one book; this cannot be considered an acceptable level of quality for CW.

PS: WotC is not as evil as some of the "junior socialists" on the board paint out... and the "arguments" presented are both tiresome and trite.