Conan (Atlantean ed.) --- the ugly?

Aus_Snow

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My request is that everyone who owns the Conan d20 RPG (by Mongoose Publishing) tell me the *bad* things about it, even better the "ugly" as per the title.

Reason: I'm sorely tempted to just buy it, but I've heard too many pros, not enough cons for my liking.

What;s wrong with it?

edit: Keep in mind that I will probably still buy it, regardless. So, don't get protective over it!
 

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I bought it in PDF. Let me just say, if this edition was checked through and had a lot of errors cleaned up, I hate to imagine what it was like before. Still too many mistakes in word usage, sidebars misplaced or starting or ending in the middle of sentences, and other editing nasties.

Parts of the text are written in a speculative mode that seems inappropriate. This nation might have adopted the gods of Koth or R. E. Howard may have meant the Cimmerians to resemble the Celts. The sourcebook defines the game world - Mongoose should state how Hyboria is.

Border art: the Brythunian girl with pink nipples is cute enough but it palls a bit when the same picture's cut and pasted on every page.

I've just started reading the combat section. It looks complicated. Still haven't decided if that's justified.
 
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Are you planning on playing a campaign in Hyboria? Or do you want it for the system to do something else?

If you want to play a Conan campaign, then there is no substitute and the problems with this edition are superficial. If you want it for other things, then maybe you should steer away.

Caveat: I love the game. (edit: And I recently discovered I was thanked in the credits for the Atlantean Edition... humility aside, I don't know that I deserve it, despite my efforts to help on the message boards resolve the problems with the first edition.)

Comments:
Combat is a tad more complicated than D&D. But it is not complicated and once you have run it a couple times, you realize that it simply adds some elements to D&D but not so many as to overwhelm you. Be mindful, however, that the first session you will feel a bit overwhelmed, but by session two or three combat will run much more smoothly. (A hint for new GMs -- although characters have the option to Parry or Dodge for their defensive AC, 95% of the time they will do one or the other, so ask them which they prefer to do and force your PCs to tell you when they switch to the other. Asking every round what they are doing seems like a good idea at first, but bogs things down and is invariably pointless.)
Now, here is what seems complicated (although, again, you get used to it and it ceases to be difficult) about combat. Armor serves as Damage Reduction. Weapons have Armor Penetration scores. If the AP exceeds an armor's DR, then it halves the effects of the DR for a successful attack. If the AP is less than the DR, then the DR is in full effect. Sounds complicated? Yeah, but it isn't.

Sorcery... it works and it has a Howardian feel to it. In that sense it is a good fit for CONAN. I still find it a bit clunky and would prefer to use a different low magic system. I got around it by not letting any players start out as spellcasters. As it turns out, no one ever picked it up (and the only player who was keen on it dropped out early for family reasons). Sorry I can't be more specific. I just don't care for it.

The details of the setting... I have to say, the reason for that is because they wanted to stay true to the source material and Howard did not fill in many details. The supplements correct this problem -- which is really only a problem if you are not willing or interested in creating details yourself. For me, I liked having freedom to say "here is a town and here is its place in the politics of this land" without having someone tell me that it does not jive with the sourcebook.

Typos... c'mon. Conan has a bad rap because the first edition was so TERRIBLE. And it was terrible. Are there typos and other editing mistakes in the Atlantean edition? Yes. Industry standard stuff. Not that that is not a crime. But I would say the book is up to industry standard in this respect and so no better or worse than any other.

I'll see if I can come up with anything else that bothers me about the system.
 

I don't think there is any "ugly" to be honest. I really like the book. I haven't had a chance to actually play it yet but there are some great ideas in it.

Yuan-Ti is right about the typos. There's still some but nothing that detracts from the book as a whole.

Combat is a tad more complicated than D&D.

But with this additional complexity comes with, what I feel, the best armor as DR system in d20. With the d20 system, in order to do it well, there has to be some level of mechanics to make it work.

Border art: the Brythunian girl with pink nipples is cute enough but it palls a bit when the same picture's cut and pasted on every page.

This might be true but regardless of the content, the artwork is excellent, especially the weapons and armor. And above all, the book itself really captures the world of Conan. Just reading the rules and looking at the weapons really establish the mood of the Conan stories. Not an easy thing to do.

Hey Yuan-Ti, any chance you could run a Conan game at the next Boston Game Day? I'd love to play.
 

GlassJaw said:
Hey Yuan-Ti, any chance you could run a Conan game at the next Boston Game Day? I'd love to play.

Not a bad idea... When is it? Are you on the BostonGamers Yahoo Group? Or is this the event discussed on the ENWorld Boards?

I have never been to a convention in my life. :eek: Or anything like a convention for that matter... but it may be about time I start doing that.
 


Atlantean

I have the old bad "not just adaptable, but luck, too" 1st printing. Other than fixing many of the countless errors, does the Atlantean edition add anything to the earlier?
 

radferth said:
I have the old bad "not just adaptable, but luck, too" 1st printing. Other than fixing many of the countless errors, does the Atlantean edition add anything to the earlier?

Well, it adds to Mongoose's bank account, as they can sell the same book to the same people, twice
 

trancejeremy said:
Well, it adds to Mongoose's bank account, as they can sell the same book to the same people, twice

That's really not fair. Mongoose replaced the first edition books free of charge when Atlantean came out.
 

If you're just looking for an alternative ruleset, there's always the "pocket" paperback edition, about half the physical page size, seems to have the full text I think, and at about half the price.

I wasn't bothered about having the full size rulebook but I might get the background sourcebooks, especially the gorgeous and very atmospheric Road of Kings.

Dave
 

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