D&D 5E (2024) Conjure elemental makes no sense...

[UngeheuerLich]

What happens on a successful save?

Why do we need a line that tells us that the target is not restrained? Why need a line at all.
Does it miss a "half damage" line?

Or does it full damage on a successful save?
It really really needs a wording update.

And whlie we are at it: the cast at higher level misses the information which damage is increased... Presumably both. But other spells do spcify that.
And it was already nerfed... for what reason? The secondary damage?

Oh. It also misses a way how you get out of the restraint. Even teleporting out does not seem to work. Nothing in the description tells us that...

How did this get through the playtest....

 

[UngainlyTitan]

What happens on a successful save?

Nothing

Why do we need a line that tells us that the target is not restrained? Why need a line at all.
Does it miss a "half damage" line?

No

Or does it full damage on a successful save?
It really really needs a wording update.

No

And whlie we are at it: the cast at higher level misses the information which damage is increased... Presumably both. But other spells do spcify that.
And it was already nerfed... for what reason? The secondary damage?

Both, the damage per extra level was originally 2d8

Oh. It also misses a way how you get out of the restraint. Even teleporting out does not seem to work. Nothing in the description tells us that...

How did this get through the playtest....

You make the save or remain restrained, though I would allow a teleport type effect, if successful break the restraint. This bit could use some clarification.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Nothing

No

No

Both, the damage per extra level was originally 2d8

You make the save or remain restrained, though I would allow a teleport type effect, if successful break the restraint. This bit could use some clarification.

Ok. Still makes no sense...

I just read the UA version... which actually did make sense.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Ok. Still makes no sense...

I just read the UA version... which actually did make sense.

Why does it make no sense?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Why does it make no sense?

Because of the wordings.

Why is there a line that tell us what it does not do on a successful save? Why not just leave that line out or tell us that there is no effect?

The whole spell seems messed up.

The UA version told us that the creature is pulled into the space and restrained there. It tells us that on a save you receive half damage.

I think I will use the UA version going forward. This spell just makes no sense to me at all.

 

[Chaltab]

Why is there a line that tell us what it does not do on a successful save? Why not just leave that line out or tell us that there is no effect?

Because if it fails the first save, it gets to repeat the save to end the Restrained condition.

It's using one line to cover both succeeding on the initial save (thus never becoming Restrained) and succeeding on the subsequent saves (thus ending the Restrained condition).

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Because if it fails the first save, it gets to repeat the save to end the Restrained condition.

No, it does not.

It says: it does not have the condition. Not that it ends the condition. It is also unclear, in python speach, how the indentions are aligned. The structure suggests, that the last line belongs to the initial save if-clause.

It's using one line to cover both succeeding on the initial save (thus never becoming Restrained) and succeeding on the subsequent saves (thus ending the Restrained condition).

As I said above, if the wording was: on a successful save, it ends the restrained condition, the whole spell was clearer.

This is why I want a change in wording.

 

[Chaltab]

I mean yeah it's worded differently than 5E spells usually are and I have no idea why but... like I dunno. It still makes senese to me.