Consolidating 100+ Feats into 2.

There are 2 things that bug me about D&D 3.X (well, these are 2 of the things).

First, I plunk down, $20, $30 or more dollars on a gaming supplement. One promising “dozens of new feats”; then delivering the same feat over & over. Namely the take adjective “Y” and key it to skill “X” & skill “Z”, you now game +2 to those skills. It don’t take a brilliant d20 game designer to come up with those feats people. The list in the 3.5 PHB is more than enough to give the least inventive of DM’s an idea on how to turn that feat around.

Second, the umber-jumper, climber, diplomacer, etc. Simply some PC who has staked out every feat that gives +2 to skill (desired) and skill (anything else). Thus you have a PC with a +20 on one skill by 10th level, yet little ability outside of that single skill.

In an attempt to weed out a couple hundred feats, I’ve come up with the following possible option to replace all those feats with simply 2.

The Feats (there are 2 of them).

Class Skill Synergy:
Benefit: Choose 2 of your class skills for the level you are currently progressing in. You gain a +2 bonus to each of those skills.
Special: You may take this feat multiple times. The benefits from this feat do not stack. Thus, each time you take this feat, you must select 2 skills you have not previously chosen.

Key Ability Synergy:
Benefit: Choose 2 skills that have the same key ability score (such as Jump & Climb that both have Str). You gain a +2 bonus to each of those skills.
Special: You may take this feat multiple times. The benefits from this feat do not stack. Thus, each time you take this feat, you must select 2 skills you have not previously chosen
Special: If you elect to take Concentration as one of the skills, you may then select either Spellcraft, Know (arcane), Know (religion), of Know (nature) as the other relevant skill, as Concentration is the only Constitution based skill.

Special: In the case of PrC, Feats, and other items that require a special feat (such as Alertness) to qualify for, allow any combination of Class Skill Synergy or Key Ability Synergy that provides the +2 to the 2 skills mentioned in the original feat to fulfill the requirements. Example: a rogue may allow Class Skill Synergy (spot & search) to take the place of any requirement of the Alertness feat.

There, I’ve just shrunk 100+ feats into 2.
Anybody see something I missed?
Vraille Darkfang
 

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Just flavor.

I sympathise with what you're doing, and think it is good. I also am not impressed with a lot of new +2/+2 skill feats.

But neither do I want to totally eliminate them because they can add color to a character.
 

tmaaas said:
But neither do I want to totally eliminate them because they can add color to a character.

This isn't eliminating them at all. Through these 2 feats, you can reproduce all those feats that are taking up space in so many of the D&D & d20 supplements these days. You can get the effect of Alertness, Negotiator, Persuasive, Nimble and all the other +2/+2 feats and not waste the time tracking down what book they came from or some player frantically looking for a +2/+2 Feat that aplies to Swim & Climb. You can now just take a feat.

I'm not trying to ruin the "flavor" of any of these feats (though I guess the feat name will sound "cooler" than Class Skill Synergy balance & tumble). In fact I'm trying to prevent an abuse of the system that currently occurs (though rarely). Name the stacking of feats so that a character is a god at one skill. In the long run this character will be so specialized in one area that she/he will suffer in others. While in a game with only 4 players, this player will suffer, in a large party this "niche" character might be able to realy on all the other characters to offset his not having a single feat that doens't give him pluses to his chosen skill.


With my system, the most a player can get from the +2/+2 feats is a total of +4. +2 to the skill with Class Synergy & +2 with Key Ability Synergy. This is intentional, I don't want charaters in my game to have 6 feats that give a total of +12 to Spot & +2 to 6 other various skills. It seems an abuse of the system. My feats give excellent flexability and versatility (the combination of possbile skills is a broad as the list of feats already existing, yet fits in a single paragraph). If you don't mind the bard with a +40 Bluff, yet couldn't hit a goblin to save his life, of don't mind going through 10-12 d20 books looking for the feat that gives +2 balance & bluff, this option isn't for you.

For everyone else, it gives a nice alternative to the current system.

Vraille Darkfang
 

THis has been done in books before, and the amount of feats like this is numerible but there are rarely that many per book, hardly a waste.
 




Nifft said:
I dunno. IMHO it's nice to be able to specify "Alertness" or "Deceitful" as a PrC pre-req.

-- N

True, but I think the same effect can be met simply by specifying a minimum number of ranks in the requisite skill(s). After all, Alertness just means someone is better than normal with two particular skills. Now, if someone wants to use Alertness or some other feat as a "non-optimal" prereq for a class, that's a whole 'nother issue.
 

The "+2 to two stat" feats (the originals, not yours) are not fighter or wizard feats, are they?

The bonuses they provide do not count against prestige class prerequisites (e.g., "Diplomacy 12" prerequisite requires 12 ranks of diplomacy, not two ranks and five feats that provide +2 bonuses), right?

Not counting humans, a character gets 7 feats in non-epic levels. If they want to be one-trick ponies, I say let them.

Sure, someone with +14 (using all 7 feats) to Spot will always spot something. But that character will be in serious trouble when their opponents start using all their non-flavor feats against them...
 

Sir Whiskers said:
True, but I think the same effect can be met simply by specifying a minimum number of ranks in the requisite skill(s).

You design your PrCs, and I'll design mine, thanks.

Ranks + Feats are a common pre-req set. Having a common set of flavor Feats helps us designer-types.

-- N
 

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