Converting Epic Level Creatures

[Shade]

Same here, shall we leave it to "Ye Olde Shaidie One"?

Ummm, let's just go with +60 unless Shade objects, so we can potentially move along

<gets out Ye Olde Stampe of Approval>

 

[Cleon]

Ummm, let's just go with +60 unless Shade objects, so we can potentially move along. Have we now finished the maw/swallow whole bit?

I thought we had and were about to start on their "abominable appearance" special attack which makes them look like the most fearsome creature imaginable.

 

[freyar]

Sounds good, and I'll throw in a vote that Shade updates homebrews before we lose this stuff.

Each creature that sees a draeden must make a Saving Throw vs. Mental Attacks. If successful, the viewer sees the draeden’s true form... which is bad enough. If the check is unsuccessful, the viewer imagines that he or she sees the biggest, deadliest, most invulnerable being ever. Immortals who fail their saving throws will see draeden as either blackballs or vast, powerful enemies from rival Spheres (usually the Sphere of Entropy). Mortals from the Prime Plane usually see them as unconquerable dragons.

Got any ideas for the appearance? It doesn't seem to do very much other than as flavor, to be honest. I suppose it could share some characteristics with frightful presence, but I'd think the natural form would have that anyway! Just can't think of much of the point of this.

 

[Cleon]

Got any ideas for the appearance? It doesn't seem to do very much other than as flavor, to be honest. I suppose it could share some characteristics with frightful presence, but I'd think the natural form would have that anyway! Just can't think of much of the point of this.

Is there anything we can crib off the Epic use of Intimidation?

 

[freyar]

Is there anything we can crib off the Epic use of Intimidation?

Intimidate does not possess an epic usage.

Guess not.

What if the illusory fearsome appearance acts as phantasmal killer against low enough HD victims? Then the real appearance can get something like a boosted frightful presence.

 

[Cleon]

Guess not.

What if the illusory fearsome appearance acts as phantasmal killer against low enough HD victims? Then the real appearance can get something like a boosted frightful presence.

Scaring folk to death, eh?

I'd think some kind of "so terrifying you won't dare attack it" would be a better fit. Didn't we do an ability like that?

 

[freyar]

I feel like we have, but I can't quite remember where. I know we've done some sympathetic types ones, where you don't attack because the victim seems too pathetic.

 

[Cleon]

I feel like we have, but I can't quite remember where. I know we've done some sympathetic types ones, where you don't attack because the victim seems too pathetic.

Found it, the Darksider:

Aura of Forbidding Terror (Su)

: A darksider constantly exudes a 60-foot-radius fear aura. Any creature that enters the area must succeed on a DC 21 Will save or flee in panic for 1d4+1 rounds. Even if they save, the creature must succeed on a DC 21 Will save in order to make an attack or cast a spell at the darksider.

This is a mind-affecting fear effect. The aura can be dispelled, but the darksider can create it again as a swift action.

 

[freyar]

Ahhh, that would be perfect. Something like this?

Forbidding Appearance ?? (Su): A draeden projects a horrifying image into the minds of all those who look on it; anyone looking at a draeden perceives instead an invincible foe brought forward from their deepest nightmares. The victim must make a DC X Will save or flee in panic for 1d4+1 rounds. Even if they save, the creature must succeed on a DC X Will save in order to make an attack or cast a spell at the draeden. Those that successfully interact with the draeden gain a DC X Will save to pierce the illusion, allowing them to act normally. This is a phantasm and fear effect. The save DC is Charisma-based.

Not sure if the true form should also have frightful presence after all that...

 

[Mortis]

Not sure if the true form should also have frightful presence after all that...

I think it should. I would imagine that those beings that know of the draeden will actually see its ftrue form. After all, what could possibly be scarier than being confronted by one?

Hang on, I know, being confronted by two...

Oooohh!!! two daeden flanking on opponent...

Regards
Mortis