Converting "generic setting" Second Edition monsters

[Cleon]

Works for me.

So what sort of cost do you think?

I'd like a separate cost for adding additional winding-sprockets.

 

[freyar]

Shield guardians and stone golems bracket it power wise. Maybe around 85000 gp cost?

 

[Cleon]

Shield guardians and stone golems bracket it power wise. Maybe around 85000 gp cost?

Shield Guardians cost 120,000 gold pieces, which is barking compared to the 90,000 gp of the more powerful Stone Golem.

I was thinking of something like a 75,000 gp price, with materials costing 15,000 gp (so cost equals 45,000 gp + 2,400 XP).

 

[freyar]

Hmm, I must have been looking at the greater stone golem. Yeah, I agree this shouldn't cost more than a stone golem. 45,000 gp cost makes sense to me.

 

[Cleon]

Hmm, I must have been looking at the greater stone golem. Yeah, I agree this shouldn't cost more than a stone golem. 45,000 gp cost makes sense to me.

Care to rough something out, then?

 

[freyar]

Construction

A clockwork warrior golem’s body is build from XXX pounds of high quality metals worked into intricate shapes. Assembling the body requires a DC 25 Craft (armorsmithing) check and a DC 30 Craft (trapmaking) check.

CL 13th; Craft Construct, bull's strength, limited wish, caster must be at least 13th level; Price 90,000 gp; Cost 45,000 gp + 2,400 XP.

Would you like to write up the lesser version? I increased the CL to 13th just to avoid the "too low level to use limited wish easily" problem.

 

[Cleon]

Construction

A clockwork warrior golem’s body is build from XXX pounds of high quality metals worked into intricate shapes. Assembling the body requires a DC 25 Craft (armorsmithing) check and a DC 30 Craft (trapmaking) check.

CL 13th; Craft Construct, bull's strength, limited wish, caster must be at least 13th level; Price 90,000 gp; Cost 45,000 gp + 2,400 XP.

Would you like to write up the lesser version? I increased the CL to 13th just to avoid the "too low level to use limited wish easily" problem.

You did not allow for materials cost, which I suggested at 15,000 gp, or mention additional winding-sprockets.

Construction
Building a clockwork warrior golem requires 10,000 pounds of high quality metals worked into intricate shapes, plus forging equipment, fuel and other tools. These materials are used to create the golem's body, plus the external power-supply and winding-sprocket that gives the golem motive force, and have a total cost of at least 15,000 gold pieces. Assembling these components requires a DC 25 Craft (armorsmithing) check and a DC 30 Craft (trapmaking) check.

Additional winding-sprockets (200 gp) and power-supplies (4000 gp) can be constructed. If such backup power systems are created at the same time as the clockwork warrior golem itself, no additional skill checks are required. Creating backup systems at a later date requires a DC 15 Craft (trapmaking) check and DC 15 Craft (trapmaking) check.

CL 13th; Craft Construct, bull's strength, limited wish, caster must be at least 13th level; Price 75,000 gp; Cost 45,000 gp + 2,400 XP.

Lesser Clockwork Warrior
A lesser clockwork warrior golem requires 1000 pounds of metal plus other materials costing at least 2000 gold pieces. Assembly requires a DC 20 Craft (armorsmithing) check and a DC 25 Craft (trapmaking) check. Additional winding sprockets cost 200 gold pieces each and additional power-supplies 500 gold pieces each.

Both standard clockwork warriors and lesser clockwork warriors use the same winding-sprocket, so a lesser clockwork golem can be wound by a standard clockwork warrior's power-supply, although a lesser warrior's power supply is too weak to wind a standard clockwork warrior golems.

CL 13th; Craft Construct, bull's strength, limited wish, caster must be at least 13th level; Price 18,000 gp; Cost 10,000 gp + 640 XP.

 

[freyar]

I think I just didn't do the math right on the construction, since it's been a while.

I can't say I like CL 13 and limited wish for the lesser ones, since they're so much lower level. Any chance we could come up with a lower level substitute spell?

 

[Cleon]

I think I just didn't do the math right on the construction, since it's been a while.

I can't say I like CL 13 and limited wish for the lesser ones, since they're so much lower level. Any chance we could come up with a lower level substitute spell?

How about fabricate?

Hmm, that seems such a good fit I'm tempted to add fabricate to the regular version.

 

[freyar]

Geez, why don't more constructs have that? Let's use fabricate. I think I'd prefer to leave the regular version just with limited wish and bull's strength, but I won't mind if you insist on fabricate there too.