Converting "generic setting" Second Edition monsters

[freyar]

You seem to be arguing roughly for Diminutive, and I'm good with that. Therefore, how is AC 7 and hardness maybe slightly more, like 13 or 14?

 

[Shade]

You seem to be arguing roughly for Diminutive, and I'm good with that. Therefore, how is AC 7 and hardness maybe slightly more, like 13 or 14?

Works for me.

 

[Cleon]

You seem to be arguing roughly for Diminutive, and I'm good with that. Therefore, how is AC 7 and hardness maybe slightly more, like 13 or 14?

If it goes from Tiny to Diminutive, surely its AC10 should increase by 2, not decrease by 3!

Plus, why should its hardness increase because it's smaller - wouldn't it stay the same (because it's made of the same stuff), or arguably be slightly lower (because it's thinner and thus more fragile).

 

[freyar]

No, no, the AC 10 was just pulling a number out of thin air. I most recently suggested basing the AC purely on size, which would reduce the AC, but assuming that its "magical enhancement to hardness" is a bit more to counteract the reduced AC.

Hardness is based on material only, though. The hp might go down due to it being smaller. But again, we're just freehanding this, since we can assume it's magically enhanced iron.

 

[Cleon]

No, no, the AC 10 was just pulling a number out of thin air. I most recently suggested basing the AC purely on size, which would reduce the AC, but assuming that its "magical enhancement to hardness" is a bit more to counteract the reduced AC.

Yes, standard objects have AC entirely based on size, a Diminutive object having AC 7. (10 +4 size -5 Dex -2 object penalty).

I suppose we ought to stick to that. Even the SRD Lich's phylactery has the standard AC for an object, and I doubt this spindle would be any tougher to hit.

Hardness is based on material only, though. The hp might go down due to it being smaller. But again, we're just freehanding this, since we can assume it's magically enhanced iron.

Quite.

I'm starting to toy with hardness 15, based on the greater version having DR/adamantine, but would accept hardness 12.

It'll need a Break DC too, I'm thinking DC 30.

 

[freyar]

AC 7, hardness 15, 30 hp, break DC 30 are fine. I might go a little lower on the break DC, but the SRD examples are all over the place. So I'm ok with 30.

 

[Cleon]

AC 7, hardness 15, 30 hp, break DC 30 are fine. I might go a little lower on the break DC, but the SRD examples are all over the place. So I'm ok with 30.

It just seems right to have the break DC at least as high as the DC needed to wind up the Golem...

 

[Shade]

It just seems right to have the break DC at least as high as the DC needed to wind up the Golem...

In fact, it seems it should be tougher. But the same is acceptable.

 

[Cleon]

In fact, it seems it should be tougher. But the same is acceptable.

That was my thinking, but it's already tougher to break than the SRD's 2-inch thick Iron Door (Break DC 28). We could go up to around DC 32 to 35, but any more than that would be really stretching it.

 

[Shade]

That was my thinking, but it's already tougher to break than the SRD's 2-inch thick Iron Door (Break DC 28). We could go up to around DC 32 to 35, but any more than that would be really stretching it.

Let's just stick with 30. It's a nice, round number.