Converting monsters from Dragon magazine (Part Two)

[freyar]

Oooh, true about invisibility under water. But invisibility gives additional benefits besides (full) concealment -- +2 to attacks, ignores Dex AC, etc. How about adding those to transparency?

Sounds reasonable about steal breath.

 

[Shade]

Do you propose we add those benefits to the (other) undine's ability as well?

 

[freyar]

Unless it didn't specifically said it wasn't really invisible, I think so. It just seems like if you can't see them, they should get the full benefits of invisibility. If anyone disagrees, though, I'm open to discussion.

 

[Shade]

I'm OK with it. Demiurge?

 

[demiurge1138]

I'd prefer transparency to just grant full concealment. It's more streamlined.

 

[freyar]

I'd prefer transparency to just grant full concealment. It's more streamlined.

I'd agree, but

Characters attempting to locate an undine must use magical means (spells or devices) to do so.

I think they should at least get a big Hide bonus underwater. You know, not just full concealment but inability to be seen.

 

[Shade]

I'm fine with a huge Hide bonus underwater as well.

 

[freyar]

+8 or +12 even for the Hide bonus?

 

[demiurge1138]

Let's go +12.

 

[Shade]

Updated.

Does the steal breath revision look OK?