Converting original D&D and Mystara monsters

[Shade]

Incorporeal critters almost always have perfect maneuverability, and I see no reason not to do so with the malice.

CR 3? Low-level parties will have a tough time even striking them.

I like "malevolence" for the organization. Or "brainstorm".

 

[Mortis]

Incorporeal critters almost always have perfect maneuverability, and I see no reason not to do so with the malice.

Agreed

CR 3? Low-level parties will have a tough time even striking them.

Looks about right.

I like "malevolence" for the organization. Or "brainstorm".

I'll stick with 'malevolence' it will look good in the philosopher's Organization line 'Solitary + a malevolence of malices (2-8)'.

What else is there 'just' the flavour text?

One thing though

Bound to Philosopher (Su): A malice can never stray more than 100 feet from the gray philosopher that created it. Should it be forcefully moved from this area, it must immediately return to within 100 feet by the fastest means possible. If the gray philosopher that created a malice is destroyed, the malice is also instantly destroyed. A malice uses its gray philosopher’s base attack bonus. A malice uses its gray philosopher’s Hit Dice for the purposes of turning attempts (and cannot be commanded?). A malice uses its own Dexterity modifier on attack rolls with its natural weapons.

Would it be better if we joined these two (emboldened) statements into one sentence or at least have them as two neighbouring sentences?

We also need to decide whether or not it can be commanded.

Going back to the philosopher, we still need:-

SR and CR

We can remove the 'create malice' ability as, has already been said, it won't happen in an encounter.

I think it will be okay to state that the gray philosopher starts its existence with 2-8 malices, and creates an additional 2-8 for every century of its existence.

For treasure I suggest books and scrolls could work, preferably in ancient languages.

Anything I've missed from either creature?

Regards
Mortis

 

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Would it be better if we joined these two (emboldened) statements into one sentence or at least have them as two neighbouring sentences?

Good call.

We also need to decide whether or not it can be commanded.

I'd say no--only turned, destroyed, or bolstered.

Going back to the philosopher, we still need:-

SR and CR

We sorta agreed on CR 2 earlier, and SR = 12 + CR, thus 14.

We can remove the 'create malice' ability as, has already been said, it won't happen in an encounter.

Good point.

I think it will be okay to state that the gray philosopher starts its existence with 2-8 malices, and creates an additional 2-8 for every century of its existence.

That works for me.

For treasure I suggest books and scrolls could work, preferably in ancient languages.

Cool. Maybe standard coins; double goods (mostly books); double items (mostly scrolls)?

 

[Mortis]

I'd say no--only turned, destroyed, or bolstered.

Okay with me.

We sorta agreed on CR 2 earlier, and SR = 12 + CR, thus 14.

That we did.

Cool. Maybe standard coins; double goods (mostly books); double items (mostly scrolls)?

Works for me.

Just the flavour text then?

Plus I think we may be close to another 10 conversions in the 'new conversions' thread.
Yup! When the gray philosopher/malice and Vore are finished that will be the next 10.

Regards
Mortis

 

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Coolness!

With each Mystara conversion we get ever closer to the one I've been waiting for...the death demon (ostego).

 

[BOZ]

We also need to decide whether or not it can be commanded.

I'd say no--only turned, destroyed, or bolstered.

I agree. does it need some sort of ability for this?

Going back to the philosopher, we still need:-

SR and CR

We sorta agreed on CR 2 earlier, and SR = 12 + CR, thus 14.

I guess if we change our minds later, we can always adjust it.

I think it will be okay to state that the gray philosopher starts its existence with 2-8 malices, and creates an additional 2-8 for every century of its existence.

That works for me.

Yeah, I’m fine with it as well. I could just as easily see less when it’s created, but in the end it’s probably just as well to let it have as many as 8 (that way the DM can decide just how high the EL should be).

 

[Shade]

How 'bout this?

"Dedicated Servant" (Su): As an extension of the gray philsopher that created it, a malice cannot be rebuked or commanded, but can be bolstered, destroyed, or turned normally.

 

[Mortis]

How 'bout this?

"Dedicated Servant" (Su): As an extension of the gray philsopher that created it, a malice cannot be rebuked or commanded, but can be bolstered, destroyed, or turned normally.

That works

(that way the DM can decide just how high the EL should be).

Exactaly

Looking at the malice in homebrews, you don't seem to have included its gray philosopher's BAB in the attack lines. If/when you do should we add something along the lines of 'included in the stats above' (or however WotC phrase something like that - such as when they include a built-in power attack value) to the relevant section.

Regards
Mortis

 

[BOZ]

hmm, oversight on my part - thanks! and yes, there should probably be a parenthetical note, however that should be stated.

 

[BOZ]

OK, updated.