Spelljammer Converting Spelljammer creatures

[freyar]

I thought the maw expands over its reach, doesn't it?

 

[Cleon]

I thought the maw expands over its reach, doesn't it?

The smallest, 200' long Nay-Churr can expand its maw to a 150' diameter. The largest have bodies and maws that can extend 500'.

I don't really want to give it a base Reach that large!

 

[Shade]

So how about 60 ft./60 ft.?

 

[Cleon]

So how about 60 ft./60 ft.?

I'd rather give it an "engulf" type special attack with a variable area, either based on Hit Dice.

Maybe a 150 ft. cone, increasing by 50 feet per 10 Hit Dice of Advancement, with Advancement of 30-100 HD?

 

[Shade]

I'd rather give it an "engulf" type special attack with a variable area, either based on Hit Dice.

Maybe a 150 ft. cone, increasing by 50 feet per 10 Hit Dice of Advancement, with Advancement of 30-100 HD?

You mean like Vortex Maw?

 

[Cleon]

You mean like Vortex Maw?

Well, something similar. Since it's actually stretching its "lips" around its opponents, I wonder whether it might allow a "Reflex or AoO" response like a Trample special attack.

 

[freyar]

Vortex Maw doesn't sound right, since it's not sucking things in. You must mean the draeden's Engulfing Maw:

Engulfing Maw (Ex): As part of an attack or full attack action, a draedan can stretch its vast maw to cover an area 50 feet in diameter anywhere within its Reach. All creatures within the affected area must make a DC 67 Reflex save to avoid being scooped into the creature's expanded, open mouth and swallowed. See Swallow Whole, below, for the consequences of being swallowed by a draeden. The save DC is Dexterity-based.

But we only let that swallow within a 50 ft radius. It seems a stretch (pun intended) to let nay-churr engulf a larger radius than a draeden, or to engulf outside its reach.

 

[Cleon]

Vortex Maw doesn't sound right, since it's not sucking things in. You must mean the draeden's Engulfing Maw:

But we only let that swallow within a 50 ft radius. It seems a stretch (pun intended) to let nay-churr engulf a larger radius than a draeden, or to engulf outside its reach.

To me that argues more for increasing the Reach of the Draedan than reducing the "Engulfing Range" of the Nay-Churr...

 

[freyar]

I thought we decided any more than a 50 ft engulf radius was too overpowered, even for a draeden...

 

[Cleon]

I thought we decided any more than a 50 ft engulf radius was too overpowered, even for a draeden...

Isn't "too overpowered, even for a draeden" rather a contradiction in terms?

Besides, a Draeden gets fifty engulfing bites. If it uses the twenty five mouths on one side of its body the total area all those bites cover will engulf is equal to a 250 ft. radius.

More to the point, the Nay-Churr's AD&D flavour text had it swallowing ships whole. It has to have an enormous engulf to do that.