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CONVERTION EXPERTS UNITE-who would like to help convert H4-The Throne of Bloodstone?
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dcollins
Explorer
Agree with the previous poster (and others with the same point). The H4 "100th level characters" was really just an eye-catching marketing tag line.
The module description made the key assumption that: no one over 29th level got any more hit dice, attacks, abilities, saves, or spells of any sort. That was a pretty ridiculous misreading of the 1st Ed. rules as written (which simply didn't address higher levels one way or the other). So as fas as the H4 text was concerned, 30th level was rules-wise identical to 100th level, which was pretty absurd.
I'm not much of a fan of this module, but I think if you were to convert it for 30th level PCs, you might have an easier time making things sync up.
The module description made the key assumption that: no one over 29th level got any more hit dice, attacks, abilities, saves, or spells of any sort. That was a pretty ridiculous misreading of the 1st Ed. rules as written (which simply didn't address higher levels one way or the other). So as fas as the H4 text was concerned, 30th level was rules-wise identical to 100th level, which was pretty absurd.
I'm not much of a fan of this module, but I think if you were to convert it for 30th level PCs, you might have an easier time making things sync up.
DM-Rocco
Explorer
Yes, yes, I know your concerns. Thank you for informing me that I am nuts, but I didn't need you to tell me that
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I already started making the PCs and went to the general thread to have people help out a bit. check it out here:
http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2425812#post2425812
I am sure that after making four generic 100th level epic guys and pimping out one or two encounters, I will get frustrated with the lack of ENWorld support or dislike greatly the challenge and will stop this non-sense, but until then, have to see it through.
.I already started making the PCs and went to the general thread to have people help out a bit. check it out here:
http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2425812#post2425812
I am sure that after making four generic 100th level epic guys and pimping out one or two encounters, I will get frustrated with the lack of ENWorld support or dislike greatly the challenge and will stop this non-sense, but until then, have to see it through.
ebonysword666
First Post
How do I access The Gates of Hell
Hi Serge Your Gates of Hell doesn't seem to be accessable at the moment how can I access it?
Hi Serge Your Gates of Hell doesn't seem to be accessable at the moment how can I access it?
Thanael
Explorer
ebonysword666 said:
Chapter 9 and the revised chapters 1 and 2 are available here:
http://dicefreaks.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=88
Chapters 3-8 are being revised at the moment. You might get some freak to send you the old ones if you ask in this thread:
http://dicefreaks.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1246
or this one:
http://dicefreaks.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=873
Upper_Krust
Legend
Logic Gaps
Hey all!
(assuming you are still out there?)
I've been thinking a bit about this adventure myself. However, I think a number of logic gaps appear when you try and convert it to a Level 100 adventure.
In fact none of it actually makes sense from a 100th-level perspective.
Orcus is only CR 56 as I rate him (and much much weaker by the official rules). Which basically puts him down as cannon-fodder for a party of 4-5 100th-level characters. In fact even boosting Orcus to Greater Power, may not be enough.
Basically a 100th-level party are the equivalent of powerful Lesser Gods. So I think you would need an Elder One to challenge them as the final boss.
So you end with a massive philosophical gap, which needs to be addressed first, and then worked backwards.
One other point of note is that with a 100th-level part, I wouldn't go any lower than using CR 66 opposition (maybe as low as CR 50 for some random encounters). Which basically rules out more or less everything in the Epic Level Handbook...at least everything pre-Template that is.
While you can offset this a degree by using multiple opponents at once, you don't want to rely on this all the time.
Hey all!
(assuming you are still out there?)
I've been thinking a bit about this adventure myself. However, I think a number of logic gaps appear when you try and convert it to a Level 100 adventure.
In fact none of it actually makes sense from a 100th-level perspective.
Orcus is only CR 56 as I rate him (and much much weaker by the official rules). Which basically puts him down as cannon-fodder for a party of 4-5 100th-level characters. In fact even boosting Orcus to Greater Power, may not be enough.
Basically a 100th-level party are the equivalent of powerful Lesser Gods. So I think you would need an Elder One to challenge them as the final boss.
So you end with a massive philosophical gap, which needs to be addressed first, and then worked backwards.
One other point of note is that with a 100th-level part, I wouldn't go any lower than using CR 66 opposition (maybe as low as CR 50 for some random encounters). Which basically rules out more or less everything in the Epic Level Handbook...at least everything pre-Template that is.
While you can offset this a degree by using multiple opponents at once, you don't want to rely on this all the time.
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