CR 9 vs CR 18 ... EP?

Eolin said:
...Squire James seems to be saying the EP rules work like i thought they did -- that we're EL 9. Everybody else is saying EL 11 and the bonus is that you get twice the EP. Also, I was pretty sure that since we fought them a the same time, we looked at the CR of the encounter -- by which since it was 4 CR 14, each double adds +2 to the CR and we get CR 18. What do the RAW say?

Hope that clarifies the questions and what happened for those interested. Thanks.

EL has nothing to do with experience awards.

Your level, the number of folks in your party, and the CR of each creature is what determines experience. Plus anything else the DM wants to throw in there.

I made a slight error is what I said earlier, but that makes no difference in this case when you levels are the same anyway. And, in any experience award system in common use today all that counts is what I said above, though sometimes average level is used instead of each individual level.

19,800 ep for you. That's RAW.

P.S. The Forsaker class with a Vow of Poverty is seriously, seriously cheesy.
 

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I am not sure if the 3 and 3.5 methods are different.

3.0 says take average party level, and compare that to each individual monster.

ie. If you fight 4 Ogres at the same time, gives the same XP as fighting them one at a time.

Oh, what book has Forsaker in it?


edit: Still not sure how *one* 11 (12?) level character defeated 4 CR14 creatures.... cheesy tactics or no... What were the creatures?
 
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Coredump said:
...edit: Still not sure how *one* 11 (12?) level character defeated 4 CR14 creatures.... cheesy tactics or no... What were the creatures?

First, your parenthetical 12 is correct - a 1 Ftr/11 Forsaker is 12th level, not 11th, which reduces experience for him.

Second, a forsaker with the Vow of Poverty (assuming the DM allows all effects to stack) is seriously overpowered compared to other 12th level characters.

Consider that:
1. The Forsaker is balanced with extra abilites/powers/boosts to make up for having no magic items.
2. The Vow of Povery is balanced with extra abilites/powers/boosts to make up for having no magic items.
3. Add those two together and it is way out of balance - you have made up for having no magic items twice over.
4. The proof of that is in this encounter where a 1 Ftr/12 Forsaker with Vow of Poverty defeated 4 CR 14 critters (even given that one was disabled for a round or so).
 



Scuze me, i mistyped -- he was 11th level, as we both were, so that's 10 forsaker levels. That's gone up due to the EP, but ya know. And yes, i know it is horribly broken. Possibly the most broken combo I've ever seen. But its fun.

As for how he did it -- he's got good SR against the spells they tryed to hit him with (one of them was a 14th level sorcerer, another was a cleric), and he was doing a large amount of damage/round, so it isn't like the cleric or the sorcerer stood up for many rounds.

As for the magic item destruction ... the DM doesn't count breaking them as owning them. Perhaps he shoudn't, but he doesn't. I don't think i would have allowed the combination, but i also don't think that breaking a magic item should count as owning it -- but that's in the VoP threads.

I don't remember a huge amount of the battle, as I started hitting the bottle pretty hard after I died -- but the spells were just ineffective against him. One of the enemies was a Demon-thing, and i remember the demon ended up just leaving -- got scared and ran away.

I guess somebody is going to ask how many hitpoints the forsaker has ... he rolls well for hitpoints, so its around 200. Add in the fast healing and the occasional tumbling to up his AC, and remember that his con mod goes to his AC -- and he's a nearly unstoppable killing machine carrying just a giant mace.
 

Coredump said:
edit: Still not sure how *one* 11 (12?) level character defeated 4 CR14 creatures.... cheesy tactics or no... What were the creatures?

I think that is quite easy to explain. The character is not really 11th level.
With these powers it would be better to calculate an ECL.

Kilamar
 



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