CR on a trap

[dcollins]

And I can't help but point out, regarding wish, that:

(a) The original adventure says nothing about wish. Again, that's the DM in question doing his best to fold it into 3rd Ed. mechanics.

(b) The current wish spell still says "You may try to use a wish to produce greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. (The wish may pervert your intent into a literal but undesirable fulfillment or only a partial fulfillment.)" So if the DM thinks that includes no-save polymorphing, but not free deity status, the rules allow for that.

 

[moritheil]

And I can't help but point out, regarding wish, that:

(a) The original adventure says nothing about wish. Again, that's the DM in question doing his best to fold it into 3rd Ed. mechanics.

(b) The current wish spell still says "You may try to use a wish to produce greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. (The wish may pervert your intent into a literal but undesirable fulfillment or only a partial fulfillment.)" So if the DM thinks that includes no-save polymorphing, but not free deity status, the rules allow for that.

I'm aware of that. I made my post tongue-in-cheek. It was really intended to highlight the arbitrary interpretation of Wish in a way that favored the module but screwed the PCs over. I do not, in general, think players wishing for divine rank is likely to produce anything but humorous results, if any results come of it at all.

Besides, don't you think it silly that a wish can permanently change someone but another wish can't change them back?

 

[Greatwyrm]

Wow, they fit a whole cup of milk in that trap!

I don't think I'd use a trap like that, but if I did, I'd probably put it around a CR 14. A wish trap should be a CR 10. The triggered plane shifting should be about that, too. Two CR 10s are a 12. I'd bump it up two more for the ridiculous disarm auto-trigger bit.

I mean, why use this as a trap in the first place? Why not just include this as box text:

At this point in the adventure, make the character walking point roll two saving throws. If either of them is not a 20, he is removed to a random plane and turned into something unpleasant.

 

[AuraSeer]

(b) The current wish spell still says "You may try to use a wish to produce greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. (The wish may pervert your intent into a literal but undesirable fulfillment or only a partial fulfillment.)" So if the DM thinks that includes no-save polymorphing, but not free deity status, the rules allow for that.

That's a very good point. I stand corrected.

However, if this actually happens in game, see my above remark about the DM being a tool.

 

[Gentlegamer]

The responses to this thread are more proof to me that d20 Fantasy and AD&D are two different games.

 

[Nail]

The responses to this thread are more proof to me that d20 Fantasy and AD&D are two different games.

Thank goodness.