Pathfinder 1E Crap on Paizo Here

[Reynard]

Okay. I am not one who thinks it is fun or cool to thread crap on Dragon and Dungeon, because I think those magazines were good. But, I respect the right of others' opinions -- der_kluge, I am looking at you -- and would liek to start a thread for you to cartwheel and cheer over the demise of Paizo and Dragon and Dungeon. Anything else is threadcrapping and just plain not nice.

NOTE TO MODS: I am starting this thread ernestly. Not everyone likes Paizo or their mags. But it is a little irritating to see the threadcrapping in the other thread. Please let this one flourish, if it will, and direct threadcrappers to it, rather than allowing them to start a flamewar in the other.

 

[der_kluge]

Reynard respects me! He really respects me!

Seriously dude - whatever. I stopped caring about Dragon and Dungeon in '98 (?) when my subscription didn't show up in the mail like it was supposed to. After that subscription expired, I didn't renew.

I don't need all that stuff to make my game good. I'd rather see the magazine be about ideas, not full of useless crunch I can't use. Why couldn't Dragon actually include gaming related content like reviews - interviews with authors - a place for convention listings - actual useful stuff for gamers, not just a vehicle for delivering more game content. That's worthless - and is a waste of valuable magazine space, IMHO.

Given the plethora of "I hate Dragon" threads that I've seen on ENWorld in the past few years, I don't think I'm alone in this opinion.

 

[Reynard]

Given the plethora of "I hate Dragon" threads that I've seen on ENWorld in the past few years, I don't think I'm alone in this opinion.

Hey, preach on, man.

I mean, I don't agree with you, but my whole point was that I believe in equal time and the last thing we need is dissent turning into a flame war resulting in closed threads. I suspect, though, that the response will be somewhat similar to when a person dies: for a while yet, no one is going to want to say bad things out of respect or some notion of honor.

Nonetheless, I thought it was important to attempt to provide a level playing field.

 

[Glyfair]

Why couldn't Dragon actually include gaming related content like reviews - interviews with authors - a place for convention listings - actual useful stuff for gamers, not just a vehicle for delivering more game content.

Wow, you just named two the of the sections I have always considered the most useless part of Dragon magazine since I've been reading (about issue #25 or so).

While I consider the magazines to be great values with some very good things, I do have one thing I have disliked about the magazine in recent years. They have had an obsession about all things Greyhawk. A certain amount of regular Greyhawk content would be fine with me (even welcomed). However, the two magazines seem to have been "Greyhawk magazines" for the last several years.

 

[Philotomy Jurament]

I'm another that mourned the passing of Dragon years ago, when I no longer found it useful. I found Dungeon not quite to my taste, but not useless. It just wasn't enough for me to subscribe. I bought the occasional issue (e.g. Maure Castle, etc).

However, I'm optimistic about Paizo. I think their partnership with Necromancer Games is great, and I hope to see Paizo publishing lots of stuff that I might buy (stuff like Tegel Manor).

I'm not terribly worried about the "loss of access to non-OGL material," either. WotC has a good track record for allowing others to use that material if they ask permission, etc. Necromancer Games has been doing that for a long time.

 

[The Shaman]

I stopped caring about Dungeon when Polyhedron was scrapped.

 

[thedungeondelver]

I quit seriously paying attention to DRAGON in ... 1986 or so.

So no crap from me!

 

[Biohazard]

Well, I'm not doing cartwheels over their demise, but I certainly don't care that they're dead. DRAGON was just useless crunch, more and more rules that I would never, ever use. DUNGEON was actually pretty cool, but I've already accumulated far more backissues than I'll ever use as adventure resources.

But the online thing WotC is planning---BAAAAARRRFFFF.

 

[frankthedm]

This really is not Paizo's doing. I'm sure they were happy to have the D&D magazine licences. NotC wanted its' reichs back.

Though the Downer comic was not a fave of mine.

 

[Twiggly the Gnome]

I stopped caring about Dungeon when Polyhedron was scrapped.

Ditto. When this was announced, it brought to my mind those "Dungeon über
alles" folks that danced on Polyhedron's grave. Karma's a bitch, ain't it?