D&D 5E Crazy idea: 2nd ed multiclassing in 5e

[lowkey13]

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[TwoSix]

Yeah. I knew it was something with a B. Close enough for horseshoes, hand grenades, and giving credit, amirite?

Close enough for me, Odin31.

After going back and looking at it, it's unclear to me what the equivalent level would be- seems to be missing from your proposal.

There is none. You can be a fighter level 1, or a wizard level 1, or a fighter/wizard 1 with a -3 penalty to all your proficiency checks.

 

[lowkey13]

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[TwoSix]

Eh ... still no. Class abilities are just so important in the game that, in the grand scheme of things, it's not that much. Especially given the cherry-picking other things allow (best two saves, still can do archetypes, etc.).

And nothing would restrict it, so you could end up with a dual spellcaster (say, Warlock / Bard) that recharges on short and long rests and has all their spells keyed on one ability (Charisma) and can cast the same as two "other" party members.

So initial observation would be a hard no.

Even with a spell DC of 12 instead of 15, say? Or an attack bonus of only +5 instead of +8? It's a fairly significant damage hit.

To my mind it's the same concept as lowering the level; you give a broader suite of abilities, which may or may not synergize, at the cost of being as effective at your main schtick.

The extra spell oomph might seem nice, but I see it mostly as making up for all the spells you miss with due to your lower attack bonus/save DC. I also strictly silo things like sorcery points, metamagic and smiting, so you can't make a warlock/sorcerer or warlock/paladin and use your warlock slots for those.

Good points on the saves...I should specify in my house rules that it's one major save (Dex, Con, Wis) and one minor save (Str, Int, Cha) from the pool.

 

[Tony Vargas]

There is none. You can be a fighter level 1, or a wizard level 1, or a fighter/wizard 1 with a -3 penalty to all your proficiency checks.

Proficiency (and bonuses in general) aren't the primary vehicle for level-scaling in 5e, so that might be a bit off.

 

[Lanefan]

BoldItalic hasn't posted in this thread, did you mean another poster? Bacon Bits, perhaps?

Yeah, I think it was Bacon Bits.

 

[Lanefan]

And nothing would restrict it

Why on earth not?

so you could end up with a dual spellcaster (say, Warlock / Bard) that recharges on short and long rests and has all their spells keyed on one ability (Charisma) and can cast the same as two "other" party members.

Ban some classes from multiclassing at all, is the answer.

Bard, Monk, Paladin, maybe Warlock - single class only. (though I could be persuaded to make an exception for Paladin-Cleric)

Also ban multi-classing with another class of the same type (so no Cleric-Druids or Wizard-Sorcerers or Fighter-Rangers etc.)

Simple, huh?

Lanefan

 

[Zardnaar]

Tweak the gestalt rules in 3.5's UA book.

 

[TwoSix]

Proficiency (and bonuses in general) aren't the primary vehicle for level-scaling in 5e, so that might be a bit off.

Sure, but there aren't too many features granted that don't require a d20 roll somewhere in their use, so a flat -3 penalty stays relevant throughout leveling (at least, in theory).

 

[Tony Vargas]

Sure, but there aren't too many features granted that don't require a d20 roll somewhere in their use, so a flat -3 penalty stays relevant throughout leveling (at least, in theory).

No question it's relevant. I'm just not sure it could ever be appropriate or balanced or whatever we're aiming for in an alternate multi-class scheme.