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BOZ said:
I don’t know what else to tell you about those fellows.

There's just no love for the cosmic fencesitters.

BOZ said:
don’t hold off – it worked for the illithid article. ;) and another idea, should we pitch a desert monsters article to accompany Sandstorm?

Ok, I'll draft something up and post it here for comments. Great idea for the desert monsters!

BOZ said:
I was waiting for some kind of official approval before moving on to the next thing. And besides, I need some time to finish up what I’m doing with MG: Forests – at least another week or two.

Understandable.
 

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Shade said:
Ok, I'll draft something up and post it here for comments. Great idea for the desert monsters!

please do, a beholder article might just be the best selling item you could pick.

if there is a positive response, i might try a desert-themed article, or someone else can pick that up (either is fine by me).
 

Here are the beholders and beholderkin I could find that haven't appeared in any 3E product yet. Am I missing any?

Astereater (MC7)
Director and Crawler (MC7)
Elder Orb (Ruins of Undermountain)
Examiner (MC7)
Eye of the Deep (MC1)
Hive Mother (Lorebook of the Void)
Kasharin/Casharin (The Legend of the Spelljammer)
Lensman (MC7)
Nighteyes (Gauth variant?)(MC3)
Orbus (Lorebook of the Void)
Overseer (MC7)
Searechter (Dragon #139)
Watcher (MC7)

There's also the Thagar/Beholder Eater/Grimgobbler from SJR1: Lost Ships.

Also, if we need alternates, Krishnath and I (and occasionally others) converted all the following from Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal. We'd probably have to change 'em a bit to avoid license issues, but could mine 'em for ideas.

Eagle Eye
Eye of the Dead
Gorgon Eye
Seeker
Sentinel
Vigilant

Beyond all that, I have a few originals I've been kickin' around, like an eyeball swarm.
 

IIRC, the nighteyes is another name for the gauth.

you’re missing the good ol’ Gorbel and Gas Spore. :D

There’s also the Observer from Planescape MC2, on a more serious note.

And as I have said before about the Hive Mother and her abomination kin, they need to be a package deal – all or none by my opinion. She could appear without them if necessary I suppose, but not really they without her.

If you want to use one or two of the monsters from BG2 (and I wouldn’t push it past that) and alter them (at least 33%!) that would be a fine thing, but you might want to flesh them out a bit before sending the query, and make sure the difference from the video game monster is notable.

All of that above should be more than enough to make an article, even though there may be other things elsewhere. And if the query is approved, you’re going to want to confer and find out what is in Lords of Madness like I did with the illithid creatures.
 

D'oh! How could I have forgotten the gorbel and gas spore!?!?! :o

Observer...i thought I got that one...nope, confused it with overseer.

Yep to package deal. Instead of voting this time, I think we should just ship the list off to Dragon and let them choose.

Yes, there is far more than needed here. Unless Lords of Madness went beholder-crazy, I think we can stick to just the conversions for this one.
 

Shade said:
Instead of voting this time, I think we should just ship the list off to Dragon and let them choose.

Yes, there is far more than needed here. Unless Lords of Madness went beholder-crazy, I think we can stick to just the conversions for this one.

I wouldn’t send them just a list, and I wouldn’t expect them to make the choices for us. Send a list with a description for each one, as we did before. Ask if any of those are off limits and suggest that you have a few undeveloped ideas for new monsters and see what they say to that.
 

Oh, don't worry, I wouldn't just send a list. I was planning on doing the same approach we've done with the others, just skipping the poll. ;)

I'll post a writeup later today.
 

I'd like to submit an article for the Creature Catalog called "Tyrants of the Hive". It will detail the various beholderkin found in a beholder hive. Additionally, I will provide a sidebar detailing how the existing beholders and kin fit into the hive structure. The length will be close to the 8,000 word limit for Creature Catalog articles. The following monsters will be included:

Crawler (Vermin, CR 2, 8 when merged with director)
A crawler resembles a cross between a centipede and a spider. It has ten legs, two
pairs of frontal antennae, and two fighting spider fangs that can be used for separate stabbing attacks. They have cutting mandibles beneath their front fangs. It has a poison bite and can roll into a defensive ball. It can also merge with the director into a single aberration.

Director (Aberration, CR 6, 8 when merged with crawler)
Its central eye is smaller and set in bare musculature for ease in pivoting, and it
possesses only six small eyes an retractable eye stalks. It has a fanged mouth three
clawed sensory tendrils on its ventral surface. These tendrils are used to cling to
a crawler mount and link with its limited mind. Its eye rays are offensive in nature.

Elder Orb (Aberration, CR 19)
Elder orbs are almost indistinguishable from normal beholders, save that some of their eyestalks will be severed, or withered away into uselessness. It has the standard beholder eye rays, although generally a few have been lost as its eyestalks have been lost. However, it makes up for the loss of eye rays with the ability to cast spells as a Xth-level wizard. They often create death tyrants (from Monsters of Faerun) to serve them.

Examiner (Aberration, CR 5)
An examiner is a 4-foot sphere with no central eye and four small eyes, each at the end of an antenna, mounted atop the sphere. They have one small, lamprey-like mouth on their ventral surface. Four multi-jointed limbs ending in gripper pads surround the mouth. These limbs can pick up and manipulate tools, the chief strength of the examiner. Its eye rays deal with identifying and manipulating items and magic.

Hive Mother (Aberration, CR 18)
A hive mother is twice the size of a typical beholder. Unlike the normal beholder, a hive mother has no eyestalks. Its magical eyes are protected by hooded-lids in the flesh of its body. It has the standard beholder eye rays, as well as improved grab and swallow whole. Additionally, it can spawn and control other beholders and their kin.

Lensman (Aberration, CR 2)
A lensman has a five-limbed starfish-shaped body with a large central eye set in the middle of the chest. A large, toothy maw is located just below the eye. Four of its five limbs end in prehensile, three-fingered claws. The fifth limb, located at the top of the body and above the eye, is a prehensile whip-like appendage. Its body is covered in short, coarse, bristly hair, tan in color. It possesses a single eye ray, determined randomly from a list of six options.

Overseer (Aberration, CR 10)
Overseers resemble fleshy trees. They have 13 limbs, each of which ends in a bud that conceals an eye; one of these limbs forms the top spine. Three yammering mouths surround this spine, There are also eight thorny, vine-like limbs that are used to grasp tools and to act as a physical defense. Overseers sit on root-like bases that can inch along when movement is required. They cannot levitate. They have thirteen eye rays, both offensive and defensive in nature.

Watcher (Aberration, CR 3)
Watchers are six-foot-wide orbs with three central eyes evenly spaced around the circumference of the sphere. These eyes are huge and have no eyelids. A large compound eye sits atop the crown. A ring of six, small eyespots ring the compound eye. A large tentacle with a barbed prehensile tip extends from the ventral surface, right behind the small mouth with its rasp-like tongue. It has a stunning tentacle slap and a variety of abilities with its main eyes, mostly divination and illusion abilities.

Alternates:

Gas Spore (Hazard, CR 4)
The gas spore is a circular sphere with a false central eye, and rhizome growths on top of it that resemble a beholder’s eyestalks. When struck, it explodes, dealing damage to all creatures in a 30-foot radius and carries a deadly disease. Beholders sometimes use these as wards, moving them about from a safe distance with their telekinesis rays.

Gorbel (Aberration, CR ?)
Anyone got the info on these little critters handy to provide a quick description?

I think we should omit the orbus, as it really only exists to power Spelljamming vessels. The Eye of the Deep and Searechter don't really fit into the hive setting, so I'd suggest we save them for an aquatic article (perhaps a tie-in with Maelstrom?) later on. The Astereater also doesn't seem to fit into the hive setting.

The casharin/kasharin is essentially just a diseased beholder, if I remember it from Monstrous Arcana correctly. Perhaps we could add it as a sidebar or template?
 

You forgot the Observer again. :) of course, that one does live on the Planes…

Shade said:
Gorbel (Aberration, CR ?)
Anyone got the info on these little critters handy to provide a quick description?

They are in the CC you know, last I looked. ;) Erica’s handiwork.

I’m assuming this part was commentary to us rather than what you would be putting in the query:

Shade said:
I think we should omit the orbus, as it really only exists to power Spelljamming vessels. The Eye of the Deep and Searechter don't really fit into the hive setting, so I'd suggest we save them for an aquatic article (perhaps a tie-in with Maelstrom?) later on. The Astereater also doesn't seem to fit into the hive setting.

The casharin/kasharin is essentially just a diseased beholder, if I remember it from Monstrous Arcana correctly. Perhaps we could add it as a sidebar or template?

I wouldn’t cut any of these per se; remember, we have no idea what’s going to be in Lords of Madness, and as many as half of your projected creatures from the query could be in that book for all we know. I would definitely include all the above critters as alternates, with a one or two sentence description. Remember, the ones we had to cut form the illithid article severely altered the theme I was going to go with, and the same may happen here as well. For the orbus, we could say that it is used as a power battery for something else – perhaps psionics, artifacts, or who knows what.
 

BOZ said:
You forgot the Observer again. :) of course, that one does live on the Planes…

D'oh! What have I got against that guy? :confused:

BOZ said:
They are in the CC you know, last I looked. ;) Erica’s handiwork.

Last I looked, they aren't under either "gorbel", or "beholder-kin, gorbel". :heh:

BOZ said:
I’m assuming this part was commentary to us rather than what you would be putting in the query:

Yes, not part of query.

BOZ said:
I wouldn’t cut any of these per se; remember, we have no idea what’s going to be in Lords of Madness, and as many as half of your projected creatures from the query could be in that book for all we know. I would definitely include all the above critters as alternates, with a one or two sentence description. Remember, the ones we had to cut form the illithid article severely altered the theme I was going to go with, and the same may happen here as well. For the orbus, we could say that it is used as a power battery for something else – perhaps psionics, artifacts, or who knows what.

Fair enough. I'll work 'em up.
 

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