Crisis on Infinite Oerths: 12 Heroes, 12 Anti-Heroes, and 12 Villains of the D&D Multiverse

[steeldragons]

While I am fine with your list for the most part Just wanted to say something about these three. On Heroes if you were going to take characters from Order of the Stick, I don't get why you chose Durkon of all characters to represent the Heroes instead of Roy or Elan. Durkon's thing was he was more boring then the rest of them.

Roy is relatively boring but I had a good amount of fighters already. Elan is downright incompetent/comic relief. He's great for a webcomic. Not so much for a "legitimate" group.

Re: Durkon, I didn't choose him to "represent" OotS. I was making a list of heroes to kick some "A." I chose him because I thought I needed another Cleric type. A bunch of the "bad guys" are undead or undead adjacent... and I was trying to stay away from just listing every character from Dragonlance (Goldmoon was the first that came to mind).

The options for clerics from D&D sources are really few and far between. What's her name...Robin whatever the Druid, from FR was the other option...but, again, I felt like I was using a ton of Forgotten Realms and wanted to spread out the OotS folks.

On Villains it's once again if you are going to pick a villain to represnet Order of the Stick why pick the relatively minor villain Tsukiko rather then main villain Xykon.

Again, see above re: "representing" anything.

I was filling out the roster. She was actually my last selection/choice. I wanted another woman. I wanted another clericy-type. She had to be evil. She had the extra benefit of being culturally/racially diverse...and setting up the 80's cartoon in my head, gave Ishi a perfect direct foil (pwhich would presumed to be from her homeland) as well as generating undead for Durkon to take on (for a direct OotS v. OotS match up).

Lastly on Anti Heroes. This is just a straight up correction. Drizzt is not an anti hero, he is just a straight up hero. He's a nicer and more noble person then most on your Heroes list like Wulfgar and Gord.

Drizzt is an overused piece of crap and he knows it. He's lucky to be on the list at all. Nice guy or not, he's a drow. So Gilthanas hates him. He's a "good drow." So Eclavdra hates him. AND, as the ranger from the snow-filled north, he's a loner...doesn't fit in anywhere...is capable as an agent of someone else, but he's not going to Mary Sue up my list of actual heroes. He's feared and despised while he does the right thing and fights the good fight...he is, by definition, an anti-hero.

Gord is conflicted, but ultimately a good guy...and literally the only thief/rogue character that's not a halfling without stepping outside of D&D characters and stealing the Grey Mouser. Wulfgar, I really don't know anything about beyond Crystal Shard...wherein he was basically a capable naive barbarian who eventually got a magic hammer made by Bruenor (or, at least, that's pretty much all I remember having not read it in multiple decades). For that, he can be on the list of warrior types and a nice unique "type" to play off of Tanis and Vajra, et al. more expert straightforward fighting styles.

 

[Dungeonosophy]

Szass Tam and Manshoon are the two on that list who are not gods.

I probably should have framed the Original Post in power-level tiers.

Like:

1st-4th level: 12 Heroes, 12 Anti-Heroes, 12 Villains

5th-10th level: 12 Heroes, 12 Anti-Heroes, 12 Villains

11th-15th level: 12 Heroes, 12 Anti-Heroes, 12 Villains

15th-20th-level: 12 Heroes, 12 Anti-Heroes, 12 Villains

Gods and Powers-level: 12 Heroes, 12 Anti-Heroes, 12 Villains

...but that's be too complicated - who knows the actual character level of novel-based characters without looking it up. And could we go back in time and choose lower-level versions of famous characters? (e.g. 1st-level Raistlin for Anti-Heros?) I don't know.

Still, in this "Crisis on Infinite Oerths" epic saga, there might be several different teams of heroes, anti-heroes, and villains (like Marvel's "Secret Wars").

 

[Eltab]

1st-4th level: 12 Heroes, 12 Anti-Heroes, 12 Villains

L4 guy: "My party - Fighter, Thief, Cleric, and Magic-User - completely cleaned out the Caves of Chaos. WE ARE ALL HEROS !"

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Drizzt is an overused piece of crap and he knows it. He's lucky to be on the list at all. Nice guy or not, he's a drow. So Gilthanas hates him. He's a "good drow." So Eclavdra hates him. AND, as the ranger from the snow-filled north, he's a loner...doesn't fit in anywhere...is capable as an agent of someone else, but he's not going to Mary Sue up my list of actual heroes. He's feared and despised while he does the right thing and fights the good fight...he is, by definition, an anti-hero.

Gord is conflicted, but ultimately a good guy...and literally the only thief/rogue character that's not a halfling without stepping outside of D&D characters and stealing the Grey Mouser. Wulfgar, I really don't know anything about beyond Crystal Shard...wherein he was basically a capable naive barbarian who eventually got a magic hammer made by Bruenor (or, at least, that's pretty much all I remember having not read it in multiple decades). For that, he can be on the list of warrior types and a nice unique "type" to play off of Tanis and Vajra, et al. more expert straightforward fighting styles.

So pretty much all you are saying is that you know nothing about Drizzt and are just hating on him to be cool and because of what you have heard, rather then because you know anything about him. Dudes an actual Hero. Because most of the stuff you said about him there is not even true. Also why would Gilthanas hate him (Drow don't exist in his setting.)

Also I know Gord is a good guy. Was not complaining about him and Wulfgar being on the list.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

And Acererak has potentially been placed within the PCs' reach; thanks, ToA.

Actually the opposite. ToA makes it clear he is out of their reach.

 

[Lylandra]

I have a soft spot for Sememmon and Ashemmi, but I guess anti-villain lovebirds wouldn't find a spot on that list

Also: Manshoon! Halaster Blackcloak! Karsus!

 

[steeldragons]

So pretty much all you are saying is that you know nothing about Drizzt and are just hating on him to be cool and because of what you have heard, rather then because you know anything about him. Dudes an actual Hero. Because most of the stuff you said about him there is not even true. Also why would Gilthanas hate him (Drow don't exist in his setting.)

Also I know Gord is a good guy. Was not complaining about him and Wulfgar being on the list.

I know he's a drow ranger who isn't evil and, yes, from the time of his creation being made a ranger is, obviously, a "good" aligned character. I know him from the Crystal Shard...might have read some of the second on. No, I haven't read the endless reams of series that include him over and over and over. He's a mega-dual-wielding magic scimitars uber-fighter with a figurine of wondrous power panther named Gwenwyfar, exiled/fled from his evil people and homeland (boohoo, he's so deep and emo...and black leather? Deep hooded cloak? Gothy too!), slayer of demons and whatnot, and on and on.

I know plenty about him to form an opinion. His elaborate multi-trilogy history is really irrelevant to knowing he is abundantly overused...comics, video games, the aforementioned many many books of Forgotten Realmsian Drowsomeness... even appearing as the "elf" race sample art character for gods' sakes!

So, yeah. I know plenty about him. He's every-bloody-where.

I'm not "hating on him to be cool," putting aside for the time being the idea of putting an established anti-hero on an anti-hero list would be "hating on." I'm responding to your questioning my placement of him on the anti-hero list, because I dislike (immensely) the character from concept to today. Is someone not allowed to dislike something that is inherently unlikable and exhaustively overexposed? Pointing out a "bad" something is "bad" is automatically "hating on" something these days?

You were questioning Gord and Wulfgar's placement in relation/as compared to Drizzt's. So, glad to have cleared up that wasn't a "complaint."

 

[MonsterEnvy]

I know he's a drow ranger who isn't evil and, yes, from the time of his creation being made a ranger is, obviously, a "good" aligned character. I know him from the Crystal Shard...might have read some of the second on. No, I haven't read the endless reams of series that include him over and over and over. He's a mega-dual-wielding magic scimitars uber-fighter with a figurine of wondrous power panther named Gwenwyfar, exiled/fled from his evil people and homeland (boohoo, he's so deep and emo...and black leather? Deep hooded cloak? Gothy too!), slayer of demons and whatnot, and on and on.

I know plenty about him to form an opinion. His elaborate multi-trilogy history is really irrelevant to knowing he is abundantly overused...comics, video games, the aforementioned many many books of Forgotten Realmsian Drowsomeness... even appearing as the "elf" race sample art character for gods' sakes!

So, yeah. I know plenty about him. He's every-bloody-where.

I'm not "hating on him to be cool," putting aside for the time being the idea of putting an established anti-hero on an anti-hero list would be "hating on." I'm responding to your questioning my placement of him on the anti-hero list, because I dislike (immensely) the character from concept to today. Is someone not allowed to dislike something that is inherently unlikable and exhaustively overexposed? Pointing out a "bad" something is "bad" is automatically "hating on" something these days?

You were questioning Gord and Wulfgar's placement in relation/as compared to Drizzt's. So, glad to have cleared up that wasn't a "complaint."

He is not an Anti Hero is my point, he has never been one. The entire first paragraph shows that you don't know crap about him. You dislike the character from concept to today because you don't know anything about him other then hearsay. Like seriously the fact the fact that you called him emo and gothy shows you don't know anything about the character. Same with the fact that you called him a Mary Sue.

And why he is overexposed and why is he bad. He's a protagonist from a novel series. Do you complain about all novel protagonists. (Let alone movie and game protagonists.)

 

[Dungeonosophy]

I felt like I was using a ton of Forgotten Realms and wanted to spread out the OotS folks.

I've only seen a few issues of OotS. What "world" is it set in? What's the name of the world?

 

[Dungeonosophy]

BTW, for this exercise, everyone is totally free to choose their 12, 12, and 12 by any criteria. Even whim.