Critical Hit Eldritch Blast

Drowbane said:
You can't crit with Eldritch Chain, it calls for Reflex Saves.

Assuming for the sake of argument that you are wrong (because you are) would the second target's and third target's critical hits simply double the halved damage?
 

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Actually, I think that the relevant feat for improving this situation would be Weapon Focus (Rays) and Imp. Crit. (Rays). Requiring the feat to be taken for each specific spell would make it nearly worthless...

But yes. You could do that. And Weapon Spec. (Rays), if you had the fighter levels. :)
 

PallidPatience said:
Actually, I think that the relevant feat for improving this situation would be Weapon Focus (Rays) and Imp. Crit. (Rays). Requiring the feat to be taken for each specific spell would make it nearly worthless...

But yes. You could do that. And Weapon Spec. (Rays), if you had the fighter levels. :)

Yeah, it does say EB is a ray...
 

Particle_Man said:
Assuming for the sake of argument that you are wrong (because you are) would the second target's and third target's critical hits simply double the halved damage?

Well, it doesn't double the damage. You roll the damage dice twice. You would double any bonus damage however (like from point blank shot for instance). So let's say you have a 6d6 eldritch blast, and you make a critical hit on the 2nd guy in the eldritch chain. You would roll 12d6 (6d6 base +6d6 from crit), and then half that result.
 

RigaMortus2 said:
Well, it doesn't double the damage. You roll the damage dice twice. You would double any bonus damage however (like from point blank shot for instance). So let's say you have a 6d6 eldritch blast, and you make a critical hit on the 2nd guy in the eldritch chain. You would roll 12d6 (6d6 base +6d6 from crit), and then half that result.

Well, you don't roll damage at all for the secondary attacks (that is, everything after the first). So if you initially hit for 20 and it chained 4 times with the last strike being a crit... would the damage be 20, 10, 10, 20?

Thanee said:
Reflex Saves!? :p

easy there, you're likely to hurt yourself.

Particle_Man said:
Assuming for the sake of argument that you are wrong (because you are) would the second target's and third target's critical hits simply double the halved damage?

Eh, oops? :p

That'll teach me to reply to posts without being sure... (what was I thinking? lol)
 
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RigaMortus2 said:
Well, it doesn't double the damage. You roll the damage dice twice. You would double any bonus damage however (like from point blank shot for instance). So let's say you have a 6d6 eldritch blast, and you make a critical hit on the 2nd guy in the eldritch chain. You would roll 12d6 (6d6 base +6d6 from crit), and then half that result.
You don't roll damage for the secondary targets of an Eldritch Chain - they simply take half the damage you rolled for the initial target.

In a case where you critical hit the first target in an eldritch chain, I would rule that you roll the base damage first and use this figure as the amount you halve to apply to the secondary targets, then roll the critical damage and apply it to the initial target only.

In a case where you critical hit a secondary target, I would rule that they take full damage rather than half damage.
 

Particle_Man said:
What if you Eldritch Chain, critical hit Target #1 and do 40 damage, and then critically hit Target #2? 40 damage again (half damage x2 for crit)? 20? What if you critically hit Target #3?

Then you are very lucky on your dice rolls since it only gets a threat on a 20.
 

Actually, it depends on the DM. With one DM I have the worst luck in the world, and due to fumble house-rules accidentally killed a fellow PC with my blast (I will save my rant against fumble rules for other threads). But with the other DM (the guest-DM) the dice gods favour me and I really did roll a Crit on the first guy, followed by a Crit on the second. The carnage was awesome! :)
 

Particle_Man said:
Actually, it depends on the DM. With one DM I have the worst luck in the world, and due to fumble house-rules accidentally killed a fellow PC with my blast (I will save my rant against fumble rules for other threads).
Anything that reinforces shooting in a friend's direction is a Bad Ideatm is A-O.K. in my book. :lol:
 

How about if the fumble rule has you shoot off in a random direction, like at the friend who is standing "safely" behind you, not between you and the BBEG? Because that is the kind of fumble table I have to deal with.
 

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