Crusader Strike

[Gorin Stonecleaver]

I have never played anything out of ToB and am looking over the crusader class. I have a question regarding some strikes. Do the strikes that have the range melee attack like Crusader's Strike still deal damage to the enemy or does that get replaced by the effect of the strike? For example I use crusader's strike against a Bugbear who on his turn just dealt 8pts of dmg with his morningstar. I sucessfully hit the bugbear do I still deal damage to the bugbear and get my 1d6+2 (lvl3 crusader) healing? or do i receive the healing in place of the damage i would have done to the bugbear?

 

[Nifft]

If it's got "Range: melee attack", you resolve the melee attack as normal, and additionally gain the benefit of the Strike (unless the Strike specifically says that you don't deal normal damage, like Insightful Strike and the Greater version).

If it's got "Range: touch" (like Mighty Throw or Hand of Death), you don't deal melee damage.

Cheers, -- N

 

[pallandrome]

It should be noted that this is an advantage of touch SPELLS. A druid could, for example, cast Poison, Produce Flame, and shapeshift into a bear. Unless I am mistaken, he would do the bears normal damage, the 1d6+5 from Produce flame, and then possible 1d10 con, if the save was failed.

 

[Nifft]

It should be noted that this is an advantage of touch SPELLS. A druid could, for example, cast Poison, Produce Flame, and shapeshift into a bear. Unless I am mistaken, he would do the bears normal damage, the 1d6+5 from Produce flame, and then possible 1d10 con, if the save was failed.

Mostly true. You can't keep a Touch spell ("hold the charge") while you cast another spell, but you could deliver ONE of those two effects with an unarmed strike or natural attack.

Maneuvers have no such "holding the charge" exemption, though. It says touch, you get to touch, and nothing more.

If you are "holding the charge" for a Touch spell, though, you could execute a touch maneuver and deliver both with a single (non-damaging) touch attack.

(How clear is that? Crystal, right? )

Cheers, -- N