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D&D 2 Movie Preview at Gen Con!
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wingsandsword
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Well, I did see the preview at Gen Con. (By the way, I"m a "him")
It was a 25 minute preview reel, with the writer of the film as well as Charles Ryan, and someone from Hasbro that I didn't recognize her name there also to answer questions (the tone of the audience was a little dubious at first, as we all wanted it so succeed, but we know the first one sucked and hope against hope this will be at least decent). By the end, there was a general feel of cautious optimism that the movie will be fun and something we can enjoy.
Here are some facts:
It's set in the same world as the first one, as it's technically a sequel. There are references to it taking place in the same Kingdom of Ismer, and Damodar is back as a recurring villain (now an undead, and they specifically said he doesn't have any funny lipstick), it's set 100 years in the future. Otherwise, it's a completely new story with only tenuous connections to the first.
They have the 4 basic archetypes as the main characters: Cleric (including a shot of him turning undead), Wizard (including casting Lightning Bolts devastating an oncoming army), a thief (including disarming a trap they find in a dungeon), and a warrior-type (a female half-elf barbarian), they really play up her rage apparently.
Other than one actor in a supporting role, everything is new. New writers, new directors/producers, new cast. They are going out of their way to ignore many things about the first move, includng the line "Snails? Who's Snails?", delivered with a smile when the writer was asked about if Snails was ressurected in the movie.
There are passing references to other parts of D&D. The thief asks the barbarian what her kind saw in the Barrier Peaks that drove them crazy. (Yes, I know Barrier Peaks are technically in Greyhawk, but I think that was supposed to be a reference of "This is D&D")
Charles Ryan heavily reviewed the script inserting suggestions for ways to make it be more like D&D, and specifically made sure that certain D&Disms were put in, and at least mentioned in dialog to set them up for a non D&D-playing audience (we were shown a clip of a brief part where the difference between Arcane and Divine magic is explained).
When characters cast spells, they use VSM components, they didn't hammer it in with lots of explanatory dialog, but if you pay close attention, you can realize that every time any character casts X spell, they use Y verbal component.
The main villain of the movie is a dracolich (well, it's an undead dragon, and Charles Ryan said a major character is a Lich), and the cleric in one scene tries to turn him and use divine magic against him.
One character has a Ring of the Ram, and uses it heavily in a fight scene.
There are drow in the movie, but we only see their dead bodies in a dungeon.
A magmin is featured in the movie, and it specifically wasn't depicted as too bright (a reply to the answers about Beholders and other smart monsters being depicted as fairly dumb in the D&D movie, they used normal D&D creatures, and specifically paid attention to their ability scores when writing what they could do).
When the main characters enter a dungeon, all 4 enter at once as a group, and it's a big underground complex full of monsters, traps, treasure, and the like, instead of one character walking down a hallway while everybody else waits (like the first movie).
Players Handbooks were on the set/location, and the actors had to read relevant parts about their character class/race and the things they were supposed to be doing, as character research. (One way or the other, you can't say they didn't even read the PHB when making it).
It's planned for a DVD release in the USA in early to mid November, overseas it is getting a theatrical distribution in some countries (details still being worked out), and DVD in other countries. If it does well, further sequels are certain and theatrical releases are much more likely.
The only reason the movie wasn't set in an established setting, like Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance was that the movie rights to those settings were in the hands of yet another company than the D&D name itself.
It was a 25 minute preview reel, with the writer of the film as well as Charles Ryan, and someone from Hasbro that I didn't recognize her name there also to answer questions (the tone of the audience was a little dubious at first, as we all wanted it so succeed, but we know the first one sucked and hope against hope this will be at least decent). By the end, there was a general feel of cautious optimism that the movie will be fun and something we can enjoy.
Here are some facts:
It's set in the same world as the first one, as it's technically a sequel. There are references to it taking place in the same Kingdom of Ismer, and Damodar is back as a recurring villain (now an undead, and they specifically said he doesn't have any funny lipstick), it's set 100 years in the future. Otherwise, it's a completely new story with only tenuous connections to the first.
They have the 4 basic archetypes as the main characters: Cleric (including a shot of him turning undead), Wizard (including casting Lightning Bolts devastating an oncoming army), a thief (including disarming a trap they find in a dungeon), and a warrior-type (a female half-elf barbarian), they really play up her rage apparently.
Other than one actor in a supporting role, everything is new. New writers, new directors/producers, new cast. They are going out of their way to ignore many things about the first move, includng the line "Snails? Who's Snails?", delivered with a smile when the writer was asked about if Snails was ressurected in the movie.
There are passing references to other parts of D&D. The thief asks the barbarian what her kind saw in the Barrier Peaks that drove them crazy. (Yes, I know Barrier Peaks are technically in Greyhawk, but I think that was supposed to be a reference of "This is D&D")
Charles Ryan heavily reviewed the script inserting suggestions for ways to make it be more like D&D, and specifically made sure that certain D&Disms were put in, and at least mentioned in dialog to set them up for a non D&D-playing audience (we were shown a clip of a brief part where the difference between Arcane and Divine magic is explained).
When characters cast spells, they use VSM components, they didn't hammer it in with lots of explanatory dialog, but if you pay close attention, you can realize that every time any character casts X spell, they use Y verbal component.
The main villain of the movie is a dracolich (well, it's an undead dragon, and Charles Ryan said a major character is a Lich), and the cleric in one scene tries to turn him and use divine magic against him.
One character has a Ring of the Ram, and uses it heavily in a fight scene.
There are drow in the movie, but we only see their dead bodies in a dungeon.
A magmin is featured in the movie, and it specifically wasn't depicted as too bright (a reply to the answers about Beholders and other smart monsters being depicted as fairly dumb in the D&D movie, they used normal D&D creatures, and specifically paid attention to their ability scores when writing what they could do).
When the main characters enter a dungeon, all 4 enter at once as a group, and it's a big underground complex full of monsters, traps, treasure, and the like, instead of one character walking down a hallway while everybody else waits (like the first movie).
Players Handbooks were on the set/location, and the actors had to read relevant parts about their character class/race and the things they were supposed to be doing, as character research. (One way or the other, you can't say they didn't even read the PHB when making it).
It's planned for a DVD release in the USA in early to mid November, overseas it is getting a theatrical distribution in some countries (details still being worked out), and DVD in other countries. If it does well, further sequels are certain and theatrical releases are much more likely.
The only reason the movie wasn't set in an established setting, like Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance was that the movie rights to those settings were in the hands of yet another company than the D&D name itself.
Patryn of Elvenshae
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wingsandsword said:
Noted!
Thanks for the information.
Straight-to-DVD, eh? Hmmm.
IronWolf
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wingsandsword covered it in this thread more extensively than I plan to, so I will just spout out some thoughts. It looks much better than the first one, but that doesn't necessarily say a whole bunch. The visual effects looked decent. From the 25 minute preview (complete with interviews, etc), it seems they really, really tried to make it work closely with the D&D rules). Personally I am not so sure this is a good thing, so we'll see better when the movie is released. And yes, there were long lines to get into the preview when we were there for the 9pm showing.
Arrgh! Mark!
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Close to D+D rules?
*imagines back when a round took a minute...*
*imagines back when a round took a minute...*
Aris Dragonborn
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Barendd Nobeard said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sundragon2012
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The first movie honeslty belongs on Mystery Science Theatre 3000 if it still was in production. It was a terrible movie full of the worst D&D cliches. I went to the first movie out of a sense of loyalty to the game I love.
The only way I will see the second movie is if it can get a few good reviews by some critics in a couple of newspapers. I am no slave to critics and their opinions but at least in a critical review I can learn something about a movie outside the hype.
The first D&D movie made the tremendously flawed Star Wars, The Phantom Menace look like Shakespear.
No matter how craptastic this movie turns out, I hope it makes a ton of money. I want the D&D brand to be ever increasing in value and to attract more players to the game. The fact is that I don't care if all the kiddies are inspired to play the most insipid types of campaigns imaginable, most of us started out being pretty craptastic as players and DMs ourselves. However the more popular the brand becomes, the more money the brand makes.....the more money poors into the coffers of publishers of D20 publishers in general. More games, supplements, modules, etc. are the result.
Crappy movie or not I hope it draws all the starry eyed D&D newby kids in to fire up their munckiny little dreams, bless their little hearts.
Chris
The only way I will see the second movie is if it can get a few good reviews by some critics in a couple of newspapers. I am no slave to critics and their opinions but at least in a critical review I can learn something about a movie outside the hype.
The first D&D movie made the tremendously flawed Star Wars, The Phantom Menace look like Shakespear.
No matter how craptastic this movie turns out, I hope it makes a ton of money. I want the D&D brand to be ever increasing in value and to attract more players to the game. The fact is that I don't care if all the kiddies are inspired to play the most insipid types of campaigns imaginable, most of us started out being pretty craptastic as players and DMs ourselves. However the more popular the brand becomes, the more money the brand makes.....the more money poors into the coffers of publishers of D20 publishers in general. More games, supplements, modules, etc. are the result.
Crappy movie or not I hope it draws all the starry eyed D&D newby kids in to fire up their munckiny little dreams, bless their little hearts.
Chris
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