D&D (2024) D&D 2024 Rules Oddities (Kibbles’ Collected Complaints)

[mamba]

It doesn't. It just lets you see things with the Invisible condition.

when I am hidden behind a wall, I have the invisible condition… there is a long thread about that already

 

[mamba]

Personally I view this change as an intentional Fix, not a mistake

I am not even sure about the intentional part, and I disagree with it being a fix.

If you cannot see me from the position you are in, then I do not even need to be invisible for you to not see me, and See Invisible will not detect me either, whether I actually am invisible or not. It would be laughable if it would detect me because I in addition am invisible but not do so if I am just standing there in the exact same spot

 

[pukunui]

I'd like Dark Sun, on the other hand Spelljammer had thri-kreen already, so they do not not DS for that...

That’s because Spelljammer was originally going to include Dark Sun but it got changed to Doomspace at the last minute.

This is definitely an actual mistake. Per the official weapon mastery article.

"It still functions the same way: When you make an attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can use a Bonus Action to make one attack with a different Light weapon you’re wielding."

Interestingly, that article also makes it clear that you can’t use Nick for free and then make another Light weapon attack as a bonus action on the same turn! It’s one or the other not both.

 

[Charlaquin]

That’s because Spelljammer was originally going to include Dark Sun but it got changed to Doomspace at the last minute.

Or to be more specific, they changed the name of Athasspace to Doomspace at the last minute. From what I understand, the Doomspace we got was basically what they had been planning to do with Athas in the book. The fact that with a simple name change it might easily have flown under a lot of radars that it was ever intended to be a take on Dark Sun speaks volumes IMO.

 

[pukunui]

Or to be more specific, they changed the name of Athasspace to Doomspace at the last minute. From what I understand, the Doomspace we got was basically what they had been planning to do with Athas in the book. The fact that with a simple name change it might easily have flown under a lot of radars that it was ever intended to be a take on Dark Sun speaks volumes IMO.

Yes, that is what I meant. Thanks for clarifying.

It’s still a bit of a sore point for some of us.

 

[mellored]

when I am hidden behind a wall, I have the invisible condition… there is a long thread about that already

You have total cover + Invisibility.

See Invisibility only ignores the Invisibility part.

 

[DrJawaPhD]

If you cannot see me from the position you are in, then I do not even need to be invisible for you to not see me, and See Invisible will not detect me either, whether I actually am invisible or not. It would be laughable if it would detect me because I in addition am invisible but not do so if I am just standing there in the exact same spot

Yeah it doesn't do that. The new See Invisibility just lets you see invisible (and hidden) creatures as if they were visible.

If you wouldn't see them if they were visible then See Invisibility doesn't help you

 

[Ruin Explorer]

They did the exact same thing when 5e came out. There was a lot of playtesting and surveys, and then in-between the last survey and the release of 5e they came up with a lot of stuff we never got to see and put it into the rules.

They did, this is true.

Which is what surprised me that they did it again.

It's kind of bizarre that some of these changes are really significant and really clumsy and just don't seem to have been tested meaningfully. You'd think they'd have learned to do that.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Or to be more specific, they changed the name of Athasspace to Doomspace at the last minute. From what I understand, the Doomspace we got was basically what they had been planning to do with Athas in the book. The fact that with a simple name change it might easily have flown under a lot of radars that it was ever intended to be a take on Dark Sun speaks volumes IMO.

I don't think it would have flown under radars, personally.

Rather I think people noticing would have been delayed until after the book actually came out, rather than people noticing before the book even came out, because there were significant specific clues to connect it to Dark Sun, and then people would have talked about it a ton. But I think your point is that it was such a questionable take on Dark Sun that it was hard to read as Dark Sun without the name, and if so I agree.

I have no idea what they thought they were playing at, honestly. Were they seriously thinking "Oh let's destroy Beloved Setting (TM) Dark Sun in an adventure for Much-Less-Beloved Setting (TM) Spelljammer, that will definitely go well for us and make D&D fans happy with us!"? Because it genuinely seems like they were, and how out-of-touch do you have to be to think that? I mean, very significantly out-of-touch, I'd say - not just with ENworld (who cares about us, honestly), but with people who like D&D in general. Sure, some proportion of people have never even heard of Dark Sun, but equally that means this does nothing positive for them, and if they do find out about DS, they're unlikely to see this as a good thing! And for anyone who likes Dark Sun, at all, this is insulting and awful. So the only people who would be pleased by this are some tiny subsection of D&D players who like Spelljammer and wanted to see Dark Sun destroyed! That's what, like 20 people on the planet? I guess most of them working for WotC!

 

[mamba]

You have total cover + Invisibility.

See Invisibility only ignores the Invisibility part.

which means what exactly, that the person with See Invisibility still does not see me?

What with 3/4 cover and me hiding in it (successful Hide action)?