D&D Beyond Launches on August 15th for $3-6/m

$3/ month isn't that bad. And you really only need it if you want to use homebrew.

 

[Shasarak]

I am certain WOTC is not publicly traded, and it's shares are held privately by Hasbro, which is publicly traded.

Sure and so because of that Hasbro could not direct WotC to say for example impact on the flexibility of the D&D team? Is that how being a wholly owned subsidiary works?

 

[dropbear8mybaby]

That's a fairly straightforward concept.

It's a straightforward concept that makes no sense given the evidence. Don't want to pay for it? Fine, don't pay for something you don't own just because it's in a different format from what you do own. Create it yourself. With a free account. And access it. For. Free.

So what, exactly, are you complaining about? That it's all not free? Oh no. The world is capitalist and people have to get paid to do work on things that you want. Or are you complaining that you have to input stuff in order to not pay for it? In which case, why is anyone forcing you to use DDB in the first place? Too lazy to do the work? OK. Don't use DDB. What's complex about that?

What's worse about all this is that what they are giving for free, is actually pretty bloody awesome, and yet people are still expecting to be given more.

 

[MechaPilot]

It's a straightforward concept that makes no sense given the evidence.

So support your argument with the supposed evidence.

Don't want to pay for it? Fine, don't pay for something you don't own . . .

I do own the content because I already paid WotC for access to the content. If DDB wants to sell me something, they'd better not try to sell me access to content I already have access to.

Create it yourself. With a free account. And access it. For. Free.

If I have to do the work myself, what is the point of using the product? Do you see how bad a marketing strategy that is?

So what, exactly, are you complaining about? That it's all not free?

Nope. I don't mind paying for things I use. I do mind being charged for the same content twice. That you either fail or choose not to understand that is entirely a misconception on your part; that, or you're trolling.

Oh no. The world is capitalist and people have to get paid to do work on things that you want.

^^^ Yeah, trolling, like that.

Or are you complaining that you have to input stuff in order to not pay for it? In which case, why is anyone forcing you to use DDB in the first place? Too lazy to do the work? OK. Don't use DDB. What's complex about that?

Again, "here's our product, you have to do all the work yourself, can't you see how this makes your life easier/better" is horrible marketing.

Also, I have two homemade campaign settings, four degrees (AAC, ABA, ALA, BAC) all Summa Cum Laude, and I'm currently pursuing an MST while keeping a 3.8 GPA and looking after my 73 yr old father. But sure, I'm lazy.

 

[TDarien]

Yes. With a totally free account, you can create your own personal homebrew content to use with your six free character slots. You can't publish that content to the site and you can't use other people's published homebrew with that free account unless you have a character in someone's campaign which requires that someone to have a Master Tier subscription, in which case you get access to all the content of that person's account, for that character.

You could, essentially, create all the content you want for free and never pay a cent, even if you joined someone's campaign and got access to all their content for free as well. Which is why I'm struggling to understand all the bitching, pissing, whining and moaning going on about it. It all amounts to, "I want stuff for free and I'm not willing to do the work to have it for myself, waaaaa, waaaaa."

Just to be clear, you don't need a Master Tier subscription to host a campaign. You can still do that with the free account. The Master Tier subscription allows you to share any content you've purchased.

 

[dropbear8mybaby]

So support your argument with the supposed evidence.

I did, you're just ignoring it because you don't like what it means for your own argument.

I do own the content because I already paid WotC for access to the content. If DDB wants to sell me something, they'd better not try to sell me access to content I already have access to.

No, you don't own DDB's content at all. What an absurd argument. Do you also expect to be given free physical copies of the PHB because you bought one already?

If I have to do the work myself, what is the point of using the product? Do you see how bad a marketing strategy that is?

Yes, if you want something for free, you have to create it yourself, in a tool that was created for you by 50 people over several months and is costing server space and constant updating and maintenance. Heaven's forbid you don't appreciate that effort and expect to be given more.

Nope. I don't mind paying for things I use.

Really? Because you're making an awful fuss about not wanting to do it for someone willing to do it.

I do mind being charged for the same content twice.

Awesome! That's an easy one to solve.

You're not being charged for the same content twice. You're being charged not to do the work yourself in a format and with functionality that you don't have because you didn't buy it.

There, solved.

That you either fail or choose not to understand that is entirely a misconception on your part; that, or you're trolling.

^^^ Yeah, trolling, like that.

ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A TROLL!

Again, "here's our product, you have to do all the work yourself, can't you see how this makes your life easier/better" is horrible marketing.

Then pay for it. See how capitalism works? You want something, you pay for it.

Also, I have two homemade campaign settings, four degrees (AAC, ABA, ALA, BAC) all Summa Cum Laude, and I'm currently pursuing an MST while keeping a 3.8 GPA and looking after my 73 yr old father. But sure, I'm lazy.

So the staff at DDB should give you everything they've worked on for free because you got an OK GPA?

 

[darjr]

Yea, I think integration is a sure bet given Chris Lindsay, the 'inventor' of DMSGuild, wouldn't 'rule it out' in an interview, in such a way that makes me think they have plans but don't wan't to announce early.

somewhere in this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXX3Lo_XOqE&t=91s

 

[Sunseeker]

You wont need a subscription to access the content you buy.

Oh well that's not so bad then.

 

[MechaPilot]

No, you don't own DDB's content at all. What an absurd argument. Do you also expect to be given free physical copies of the PHB because you bought one already?

DDB doesn't "own" the lion's share of "their" content either. They licensed the right to spit WotCs content out through the pieces of content they actually did create, the app. And I have no problem with DDB charging for the app (I'm a tax accountant, I know how business works). What I have a problem with is DDB charging us to give us more of WotC's content that we already paid WotC for.

Really? Because you're making an awful fuss about not wanting to do it for someone willing to do it.

I'm not complaining about paying to use an app. What I'm complaining about is tantamount to buying something once and having it charged on my account twice, which is what's happening here.

You're not being charged for the same content twice. You're being charged not to do the work yourself in a format and with functionality that you don't have because you didn't buy it.

There is a price for the app, and a price for adding the content of a WotC book to the app. The app, and WotC's content are separate things. If I already own a WotC book, then paying the price to have its content added to the app is being double-charged for WotC's.

ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A TROLL!

Not at all. I've had . . . let's call them spirited . . . discussions with other posters who disagree with me. Generally, people around here know me to quite civil, even when I'm in vehement disagreement with others. You're the one who came out trying to dismiss everyone who complained about the pricing scheme of DDB as freeloading anti-capitalists and proclaimed from on high a self-righteous prediction that people who disagreed with you would one day be proven to have eaten their words.

Then pay for it. See how capitalism works? You want something, you pay for it.

You want people to buy your product, don't try to charge them for things they already own or they might not like it. That's also how capitalism works.

So the staff at DDB should give you everything they've worked on for free because you got an OK GPA?

I hope you're enjoying that strawman.

 

[dropbear8mybaby]

I hope you're enjoying that strawman.

Lol, it was your argument. In fact, for someone claiming to be educated at a tertiary level, you sure seem to lack critical thinking processes. None of your arguments stack up.

 

[MechaPilot]

Lol, it was your argument.

It was evidence illustrating that I'm not lazy, and that I put a great deal of effort into things that I do. It was not my argument aimed at any part of DDB's pay scheme. Both of those are obvious upon even a casual reading of my post. That you elected to turn that into a strawman speaks volumes about the quality, or lack thereof, of your argument.