D&D Beyond: Lurker in the Deep

PsyzhranV2

Explorer
Yatven Slimwhisper
Inetron Runewalker
Bemaald Soulcloud
Herazhen Nightbringer
Rallor Duskswitch
Amordris Freesense
Mirdanis Flareheart
Alsuthenis Brightfaith
Sylthol Runelight
Tyniarren Warmburst

I actually like a lot of these, I mean I might actually use some of these in stories I write or NPCs or PCs.

Mirdanis Flareheart I see was a human Paladin of Devotion to Torm, Sylthol Runelight I see as a female Dwarf Wizard, Alsuthenis Brightfaith as a Cleric of Lanthadar, Rallor Duskwitch a Shadar Kai Undying Warlock, Inetron Runewalker a Goliath Horizon Walker Ranger, Bemaald Cloudsoul a Lizardfolk Circle of the Sheppard Druid, Yatven Slimwalker Arcane Trickster. Amordris Freesense an Aasimar Divine Soul Sorcerer of Shares (Chaos affinity), who eventually gets leopard print bat wings.
Did you only run the Human generator? Do any of those names correspond to the major Forgotten Realms ethnicities? The surnames say Chondathan or Tethyrian, but the given names are all over the place and then some. And sorry, but Bemaald Cloudsoul is not a Lizardfolk name.
 

PsyzhranV2

Explorer
GoS isn't a splatbook but it still has a lot more additional rules in it than the typical Adventure book. And it may be the case that Wizard's is testing putting more rules along with Adventure Books, to push the "rules buyers" into buying Adventure books too. They're really pushing how The Descent has rules for warmachines and contracts.



Still trying to figure out what product these could be for... I doubt it's another Xanathar's, for the reasons you and others have brought up. It also seems like too much for an Adventure book. Is it possible Wizard's is moving to a new Setting Book every year, and that this is for something like Zendikar/Dominaria/Theros/Greyhawk?

I also really like that "Rabiah Scale" article you posted, it's got Dominaria, Ravnica, Zendikar, Innistrad and Theros as in their top "most likely to make a new magic set for."

If the same scale works for "new D&D setting," I'd rank them least to most likely Innistrad, Dominaria, Theros and Zendikar.

Innistrad is unlikely to me as it's mostly "more Ravenloft." It's cool but it wouldn't be that unique.

Dominaria is popular but I put it as less than Theros and Zendikar because those two settings are coincidentally getting new Card sets next year.

Not sure if Theros or Zendikar are more likely for a setting book... neither has a Planeshift, and I believe Zendikar is the more fleshed out but I'm not very knowledgeable on it.
inb4 they completely blindside us and it's Eldraine.
 

Parmandur

Legend
GoS isn't a splatbook but it still has a lot more additional rules in it than the typical Adventure book. And it may be the case that Wizard's is testing putting more rules along with Adventure Books, to push the "rules buyers" into buying Adventure books too. They're really pushing how The Descent has rules for warmachines and contracts.



Still trying to figure out what product these could be for... I doubt it's another Xanathar's, for the reasons you and others have brought up. It also seems like too much for an Adventure book. Is it possible Wizard's is moving to a new Setting Book every year, and that this is for something like Zendikar/Dominaria/Theros/Greyhawk?

I also really like that "Rabiah Scale" article you posted, it's got Dominaria, Ravnica, Zendikar, Innistrad and Theros as in their top "most likely to make a new magic set for."

If the same scale works for "new D&D setting," I'd rank them least to most likely Innistrad, Dominaria, Theros and Zendikar.

Innistrad is unlikely to me as it's mostly "more Ravenloft." It's cool but it wouldn't be that unique.

Dominaria is popular but I put it as less than Theros and Zendikar because those two settings are coincidentally getting new Card sets next year.

Not sure if Theros or Zendikar are more likely for a setting book... neither has a Planeshift, and I believe Zendikar is the more fleshed out but I'm not very knowledgeable on it.
Zendikar was the original Planeshift, actually, making it the first officially supported Magic setting for D&D. Because of the November timing, and the previous support, I'd rate Zendikar slightly more likely. Coincidentally, the tested Subclasses specifically fit in with Zendikar very well.

Now that they have the formula down for settings as "Genre boostersets" as of Ravnica, I expect that we will see a setting book every year. They've been big on how the Eberron material can be used for other published settings or Homebrew, particularly PC options, adventure generation tools and Monsters. It doesn't cannibalise sales the same way the 2E approach did.

All of the Adventure products have had strong themes, and often rules material, but they are not splat books: Wizards hasn't released a splat books in at least 7 years, maybe 8.
 

Parmandur

Legend
inb4 they completely blindside us and it's Eldraine.
My read of Nate Stewart's January comments, in hindsight knowing that he had insider knowledge, is that an Eldraine product may have specifically been greenlit for 2019 if they knew earlier how big Ravnica would be for them
 

Parmandur

Legend
Man...Eldrain, for the few we know about it, would be a sick sick setting. And would even be usable for Dm wishing for more Feywild things!
For sure: the Ravnica style adventure generation tables would be worth the price of admission, let alone playing Gingerbreadfolk as a Race. :p
 

Urriak Uruk

Explorer
My read of Nate Stewart's January comments, in hindsight knowing that he had insider knowledge, is that an Eldraine product may have specifically been greenlit for 2019 if they knew earlier how big Ravnica would be for them
Which comments were those? I'd like to see them if possible.

Zendikar was the original Planeshift, actually, making it the first officially supported Magic setting for D&D. Because of the November timing, and the previous support, I'd rate Zendikar slightly more likely. Coincidentally, the tested Subclasses specifically fit in with Zendikar very well.

Now that they have the formula down for settings as "Genre boostersets" as of Ravnica, I expect that we will see a setting book every year. They've been big on how the Eberron material can be used for other published settings or Homebrew, particularly PC options, adventure generation tools and Monsters. It doesn't cannibalise sales the same way the 2E approach did.
I'm not gonna hope for a new setting book every year as that's a road to disappointment. But if they do set on that path, I can only see another Magic setting or Greyhawk in the works. And of those options, Zendikar does seem the likeliest for the reasons of timing and theme.

Man...Eldrain, for the few we know about it, would be a sick sick setting. And would even be usable for Dm wishing for more Feywild things!
Eldraine would be cool, but I doubt we'll see an original Magic setting get a D&D hard book release so soon after its debut. That's a setup for criticism, especially if the Eldraine set is ill-received.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Which comments were those? I'd like to see them if possible.



I'm not gonna hope for a new setting book every year as that's a road to disappointment. But if they do set on that path, I can only see another Magic setting or Greyhawk in the works. And of those options, Zendikar does seem the likeliest for the reasons of timing and theme.



Eldraine would be cool, but I doubt we'll see an original Magic setting get a D&D hard book release so soon after its debut. That's a setup for criticism, especially if the Eldraine set is ill-received.
About an hour in here, during the Q&A:

 

Urriak Uruk

Explorer
About an hour in here, during the Q&A:

Ah yes, I remember this.

Stewart only says that Ravnica was very well-received, so much so that they are now committed to releasing more settings. Also says they couldn't approve one in 6 months, which does hint at another, but of course that "other" one could simply by Eberron getting the final stamp of "yes we will print and release this in hardcover."

Nothing about what type of settings, or the frequency. Hopefully it does mean they make releasing one new setting a year their new target, but nothing proving one way or another.

Zendikar is making a lot of sense though if a setting is dropping in 2020. November release timed with the new cards is the perfect opportunity, and aligns with the Guildmaster's release during the whole Ravnica mayhem.
 

gyor

Adventurer
Did you only run the Human generator? Do any of those names correspond to the major Forgotten Realms ethnicities? The surnames say Chondathan or Tethyrian, but the given names are all over the place and then some. And sorry, but Bemaald Cloudsoul is not a Lizardfolk name.
Are you aware of a book on Faerun languages to English translations that the rest of aren't?

Honestly I wasn't really that concerned with tying them to a particular ethnicity, just that they sounded like fun fantasy names. I just used the blood elf generator because if we are honest 99% of people won't notice or care. If you want names more fitting to FR ethnicities, that can be done too.
 

gyor

Adventurer
Heedi al-Ir Taahyaa ibn On'bay al-Ma Ajeef al-Ad Ah'taa al-Natifi Abu Jama Ry'ul al-Khamii Bee'ni ibn Taa'ad al-Shafjii Kha'sa ibn Seli al-Ha Ni'mee ibn An'ri al-Ud Abu Qaadi Salaa al-Mee Naajy ibn Samee al-Khabaii

How are these for Fantasy Calashite or Zakharan names.

 

Parmandur

Legend
Ah yes, I remember this.

Stewart only says that Ravnica was very well-received, so much so that they are now committed to releasing more settings. Also says they couldn't approve one in 6 months, which does hint at another, but of course that "other" one could simply by Eberron getting the final stamp of "yes we will print and release this in hardcover."

Nothing about what type of settings, or the frequency. Hopefully it does mean they make releasing one new setting a year their new target, but nothing proving one way or another.

Zendikar is making a lot of sense though if a setting is dropping in 2020. November release timed with the new cards is the perfect opportunity, and aligns with the Guildmaster's release during the whole Ravnica mayhem.
The question was in regards to Magic settings specifically, and his answer was for Magic specifically.

Who knows what they will do, honestly: there will be surprises next year, I'm sure, but Zendikar is enticing as one possibility, and does the best in my mind to explain their recent UA tests and what they might have been holding on to the Archivist for.
 

Parmandur

Legend
I hope MtG D&D Settings don't step on the toes of Classic D&D Settings or vis versa.
For sure, I don't think it's a zero sum game: given the goal of an Evergreen rule system, there is plenty of room for old settings, Magic settings and even new settings.
 

gyor

Adventurer
For sure, I don't think it's a zero sum game: given the goal of an Evergreen rule system, there is plenty of room for old settings, Magic settings and even new settings.
If it's a strict 1 setting per year then it will create, an MtG vs Classic competition battle that will divide the Player base.
 

Parmandur

Legend
If it's a strict 1 setting per year then it will create, an MtG vs Classic competition battle that will divide the Player base.
Well, think about this: in 2019, we have four settings visited, across four books (Avernus being outside of the Realms). That doesn't even count Goodman Games foray into the Known World. If they do one Guildmasters Guide style book a year, it doesn't.ean only one Setting gets serviced a year, particularly if they continue to progressively open up the DMsGuild.
 

gyor

Adventurer
The question was in regards to Magic settings specifically, and his answer was for Magic specifically.

Who knows what they will do, honestly: there will be surprises next year, I'm sure, but Zendikar is enticing as one possibility, and does the best in my mind to explain their recent UA tests and what they might have been holding on to the Archivist for.
I get the Lurker of the Deep and Aberrant Mind subclasses being tied to Zendikar, but the Wild Soul Barbarian seems to Feywild flavoured, does Zendikar have anything like a Feywild? Maybe Shadowmoor or Eldraine could serve this function? And I have no idea how an Astral Monk and Archivist Artificer fit into Zendikar's themes honestly. Does Zendikar have an Astral Plane? Does it have Psionics.

And how do the MtG settings fit into D&D as a whole and will any of these MtG settings, be mentioned in future books like the classic settings are?
 

gyor

Adventurer
Well, think about this: in 2019, we have four settings visited, across four books (Avernus being outside of the Realms). That doesn't even count Goodman Games foray into the Known World. If they do one Guildmasters Guide style book a year, it doesn't.ean only one Setting gets serviced a year, particularly if they continue to progressively open up the DMsGuild.
Eberron and FR, I don't count Greyhawk the amount of setting lore is mostly on one small town, and Hell is tied to FR along with other settings, its not a setting in it's own right. The plot is uttered tied to FR. That makes in actual practice two settings, not 4.
 

Parmandur

Legend
I get the Lurker of the Deep and Aberrant Mind subclasses being tied to Zendikar, but the Wild Soul Barbarian seems to Feywild flavoured, does Zendikar have anything like a Feywild? Maybe Shadowmoor or Eldraine could serve this function? And I have no idea how an Astral Monk and Archivist Artificer fit into Zendikar's themes honestly. Does Zendikar have an Astral Plane? Does it have Psionics.

And how do the MtG settings fit into D&D as a whole and will any of these MtG settings, be mentioned in future books like the classic settings are?
In Magic, stuff that can be described as "Psionic" are always Blue Spells, as indeed all of the stuff the these two recent Subclasses do, and the Archivist has a Blue vibe too, like this Zendikar card:

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The previous UA article can be read, on the other hand, as Red Mana themed. Red is involved with high damage, with battle, with fire, with raw CHAOS. For the Monk, I would refer to these two Red spell cards, though not Zendikar:

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Other of the Monk abilities seem to fit in with Red as a whole.

The chaos magic Barbarian that helps allies seems pretty Zendikar Red to me (the Feywild like the Flumphs might well be a smokescreen, as was done with the "Greek Myth" UA for Magic Centaurs and Minotaurs), as with these Zendikar Minotaurs:

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Parmandur

Legend
Eberron and FR, I don't count Greyhawk the amount of setting lore is mostly on one small town, and Hell is tied to FR along with other settings, its not a setting in it's own right. The plot is uttered tied to FR. That makes in actual practice two settings, not 4.
A significant region of GH, with geopolitics and religion, got detailed. That's a first step, and my point is that they might build on that.

Avernus is to the Realms as Avernus is to Greyhawk. It's a different part of the Multiverse.
 

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