D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

D&D historian Ben Riggs delved into the facts.

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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CellarHeroes

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Sure, but that's not what sparked this: a historical take on the history of D&D with a disclaimer sparked this. This didn't start out as someone castigating Gary's views, but rather started with people saying "Look, some of these people have views that aren't great" and then the backlash around people denying it. The fannish reaction is to something incredibly minor and pedestrian, and Riggs' response to show Gary's shortcomings are directly in response to the denials by those people.
The way it's presented on this site, it does seem like this all started out of nowhere, and not as a response to backlash over a disclaimer.

The title of the thread is "D&D Historian Ben Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism", subtitle "D&D historian Ben Riggs delved into the facts". No mention that this was a reaction to a reaction about a thing.
So my first reaction was "Huh, slow news day." Then as the page-count started to rise, it caught my attention. I knew nothing about the disclaimer or the backlash.

I can't be the only one who first came into this thread with the mindset of "is this necessary?".
 

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The way it's presented on this site, it does seem like this all started out of nowhere, and not as a response to backlash over a disclaimer.

The title of the thread is "D&D Historian Ben Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism", subtitle "D&D historian Ben Riggs delved into the facts". No mention that this was a reaction to a reaction about a thing.
So my first reaction was "Huh, slow news day." Then as the page-count started to rise, it caught my attention. I knew nothing about the disclaimer or the backlash.

I can't be the only one who first came into this thread with the mindset of "is this necessary?".

It's there at the start of the article (Bolded by myself for easy of locating):

The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.
 

Reef

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It’s been said here before, but the whole “Gary was sexist” thing isn’t meant to besmirch him, drag his memory through the mud, or rewrite history. It’s simply to push back on the people denying what he flat out wrote himself. He didn’t deny being sexist, he wore it like a badge of honour.

I have no doubt he was sexist…he told us that himself. That doesn’t change that I feel like I owe him (and his co-founders) a debt that can never be repaid for creating this hobby that has been a major cornerstone of my life since I was 10 years old. And when he passed, I was here on this board with countless others sharing my thanks, memories, and testimonials to the legacy he helped to create.

But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to push back on people trying to whitewash his flaws. Sexism should always be challenged, no matter the source, especially when there are not a small portion of this community who are up in arms every time a woman or non-white man features prominently. By not challenging it, I would be tacitly accepting it.

And again, this huge thread is basically a rebuttal to a bunch of people screaming “How dare you!” when the authors pointed out that certain documents didn’t age well, and that they didn’t endorse though views.
 



You don't know who someone was by listing out all the ways they screwed up.
I think this is what I am getting at. Obviously, Gary said terrible things and took horrible stances at his table and in life. Even in the context of the sexist 70s. But looking at this as the monolith of who that person was, 100% percent of his fiber being a sexist jerk, I think we do a disservice to imperfect human beings as a whole. There may have been instances where GG could have been kind to people that weren't documented. We don't know the circumstances of the encounters with females at his table previously -- there was a lot of derogatory comments about "stinky nerds" back in those days, and yes, D&D was definitely for "the worst of the nerds" in the 70s. Yes, we "have the receipts of his horrible behavior." People are complicated and understanding context can help people evolve today. I don't know if Gary ever would have, but I do believe we don't grow as humans when we lock people into a cage, and label them forever, especially after they have died.

I want to state here that yes, sexist behavior is BAD. It is terrible, and we should do everything we can to combat it, and point it out, and learn to end it. But I do believe educating people and getting them to evolve is more important than giving them a Scarlet Letter for the rest of their life (and afterlife).
 

mamba

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I think this is what I am getting at. Obviously, Gary said terrible things and took horrible stances at his table and in life. Even in the context of the sexist 70s. But looking at this as the monolith of who that person was, 100% percent of his fiber being a sexist jerk, I think we do a disservice to imperfect human beings as a whole.
I am not sure anyone is doing that though. I see pushback against minimizing his misogyny as ‘no big deal, everyone was back then’, but I have not seen a single post that reduced him to just that.

I would assume that esp. on a forum like this we also know that he did more and was more than just that, even if we do not constantly keep reminding everyone that we do
 

Reef

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Again, no one is trying to stitch a scarlet letter to his corpse. We’re simply pushing back on the idea that “he wasn’t that bad…it was complicated…everyone was sexist…I’m sure he loved puppies…if he lived another 20 years, surely he would have changed…”.

When pushed to include women, he offered to write rules for harems and sex slaves. He flat out said that women ruined not only games, but gamers. As late as three years before he died, he said that women were physically incapable of enjoying the game on the same level of men.

There is no level of “yeah, but…” that excuses that.

I’m fine saying that he was a complicated person, who held sexist views. But I will not sit around trying to deny he held those views, practically right up to the day he died.
 

I am not sure anyone is doing that though. I see pushback against minimizing his misogyny as ‘no big deal, everyone was back then’,
But I don't think anyone is saying that either. I think what's happening people are noting that there was a lot of misogyny in the 70s AND that misogyny was bad (still a battle) AND that Gary's misogyny was on the high end of the scale. It was a messy time. It's about understanding what was going on then, and learning from it so we can do better now.
 
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Have you noticed that I went back and reposted a number of those things he said?
Then why would you think extrapolating off the things he said the -whole- time is unfair? To think that he didn't change in 30 years he wouldn't change in another 15?
And here's where we disagree. You do not know this. You surmise this would have been his response. Everything that has been discussed about Gygax up til this point was fact. This is not.
WotC did a survey in 1999 before releasing 3e D&D to find out the percentage of female gamers who played D&D as market research. The number was 19%. One in 5 players were women but 2 years later, Gygax was still saying women can't enjoy D&D.


(Also worth noting, the mailer was sent to 20,000 houses, 1,000 responded. Decent chance a -lot- of women gamers threw it away thinking their answers would be ignored because of sexism in games)

The dude never changed. And he wasn't going to change if another 1/5th of the audience was women. He even referenced surveys showing there were more women in gaming and dismissed them out of hand, in the forum thread I posted screencaps of.
I don't know what that last part is supposed to mean.
A reference to my earlier comment that it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see who he was and continued to be the whole way through. Combination "Rocket Scientist" and "Brain Surgeon" 'cause you have to think doing brain surgery on the side of a rocket in flight would be REALLY HARD.

But I dunno. Maybe you'd find it way easier than recognizing that Gygax was an avowed sexist who made it a foundational part of his perspectives and he'd -never- change.

YMMV, of course.
 

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