D&D is so METAL

Imaro said:
You know you're actually talking about the lifestyle of most gangbangers, not rappers (and badly stereotyped movie gangbangers at that). In fact for all those points except 2, I'd say it was definitely the gangbanging culture you are trying to describe as opposed to the rapper culture.

He's describing the culture that has been presented by Snoop Dogg, 50 cent, and legions of other 'gangsta rappers' for a good 15 years now. This is what we see if we turn on MTV to one of the hip-hop channels.
 

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S'mon said:
He's describing the culture that has been presented by Snoop Dogg, 50 cent, and legions of other 'gangsta rappers' for a good 15 years now. This is what we see if we turn on MTV to one of the hip-hop channels.

No...he's presenting a fictitious culture as presented by "gangsta" rap artists (key point being there's a big difference between a gangbanger and someone who raps about gangbangers) that is inspired by true gang culture. Sort of like how much liberty those "based on a true story" movies can take, yet still be assumed truthful by people who see them and choose not to research or further explore what is and isn't fact.

Rappers like 50 cent, Snoop Dog, etc. live in mansions do corny comercials and pretend to live a lifestyle most were never part of from the beginning...you know like an actor.

If your only exsposure to hip hop is MTV, I can totally understand why you believe the above to be the case. However just because it's on tv, doesn't make it true and 9 out of 10 times doesn't make it in anyway "realistic".
 

Imaro said:
No...he's presenting a fictitious culture as presented by "gangsta" rap artists (key point being there's a big difference between a gangbanger and someone who raps about gangbangers) that is inspired by true gang culture. Sort of like how much liberty those "based on a true story" movies can take, yet still be assumed truthful by people who see them and choose not to research or further explore what is and isn't fact.

Rappers like 50 cent, Snoop Dog, etc. live in mansions do corny comercials and pretend to live a lifestyle most were never part of from the beginning...you know like an actor...

I find it...questionable...that your claim this culture that places so much emphasis on being "real" is, in fact, completely fake.

It just seems odd to me that the fact that this 20-odd year old culture has never been revealed--by the media or anyone else--as the complete fakery that it apparently is.

I guess what I am saying is that you are likely and apologist of some sort...and almost certainly incorrect.
 


Teflon Billy said:
I find it...questionable...that your claim this culture that places so much emphasis on being "real" is, in fact, completely fake.

It just seems odd to me that the fact that this 20-odd year old culture has never been revealed--by the media or anyone else--as the complete fakery that it apparently is.

I guess what I am saying is that you are likely and apologist of some sort...and almost certainly incorrect.

WTF? Most gangbangers aren't rich, and most rappers would've been in prison for life if they had shot and/or killed as many people as they claim to. You ever notice how rap songs always have a basically triumphant ending...most drugdealers and gangbangers don't end up that way.

First off, let me clarify soemthing for you..."gansta rap" isn't a culture...it's music that's based on urban street culture. Hip hop on the other hand is considered a culture that encompases everything from be-boxing & mixing to break dancing and graffitti art.

As far as fakery...who cares if it sells. There have been numerous documentaries and exposes on rappers...When was the last time any of these numerous self-proclaimed murderers and drugdealers who publicly proclaim all these things they did go to prison for it? Here and there you might find one or two, but overall not happening. This is like saying Marilyn Manson is a real serial killer...yeah right.

As far as me being an appologist, nope. I am a realist who grew up on the southside of Chicao with family members who were Folks and Stones (Chicago gangs in case you didn't know). I've seen people die from gunshot wounds, heroin overdoses, and beatings. I've also seen the lives my cousins had through these gangs and they didn't live in mansions with ferraris. didn't travel the world with briefcases full of cash, and sure didn't end up triumphant over "the man". Most spent numerous stints in prison and ended up dead. I even participated in some of this stuff, but I was also smart enough to realize it was a quick road to nowhere. Luckily my mother introduced me to D&D and I found something I could retreat into ratther than being submersed in that environment, along with playing football, these two things were probably my biggest influence against getting deeper into that life. So what exactly am I apologizing for? Rappers, like most entertainers are playing a role for money...not avtually living that role out.
 

Imaro said:
hard knock life etc.

D&D is my antidrug!

Marilyn Manson doesn't claim to kill people. I've listened to a lot of his stuff. I know that 'underground' hip hop, isn't that gangbanging crap. It's underground though... meaning not as popular?

As for the famous rappers... how do you know they don't do all the things they talk about? I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of them have been involved in drug deals and violence... but they made it big. Do all gangbangers make it big? Hell no. It doesn't mean that none of them do.
 

Imaro said:
But I think rap music and rappers serve as an interesting metaphor for the adventurer and what he/she is wiling to do in pursuit of treasure...


"Get Rich, Or Die Trying" describes my current players pretty well. :)
 
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