D&D Level to WFRP Career equivalents?

[Emirikol]

To you experts on WFRP and 4E D&D out there:
What would you estimate be the equivalents between 4E D&D levels and WFRP careers?

Obviously basic careers would be "low level" but where/when would additional or advanced careers become equivalent? Would a Soldier/Veteran/Sargeant/Captain be the equivalent of a 8th level 4e character or would the advancement be a lot slower?

Would there be situations where there would be "paragon" level types?

I'm asking for my own D&D 4E/wfrp campaign.

Thanks,

jh

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[Asmor]

Well, I don't have any play experience with WFRP, but I'd say the power level of WFRP is significantly lower than that of D&D 4e.

I'd guess a first-level D&D character would be equivalent to a second- or third- tier career in WFRP, at least, and the highest level WFRP characters might not even be 5th level in D&D terms.

 

[Simm]

WFRP career to D&D4e level conversion chart
1st -> 1
2nd -> 1
3rd -> 1
4th -> 1
5th -> 1
...

This answer is only half tongue in cheek.

More seriously, I would convert exp at a 1:1 ratio. if your character has 15 advances and is on his second career he has 1500 4e xp.

 

[Henry]

I'd estimate that a character would have to be into their 3rd or 4th careers to be as tough as a second level 4E character, and more like a level 3 3E character. Even then, it's a poor analogy, because it's not like fighters and wizard, but more like commoners, warriors, adepts, and experts.

 

[Emirikol]

Excellent point. Since there's no real "power" comparison because 4E is..well..it is what it is when it comes to character power. I'm just thinking for the maturation level of the character.

Pargon levels appear to be the pinnacle of a character's "mortal" career. Using the Soldier anology:
Soldier = 1st
Veteran = 4th
Sargeant = 8th
Captain = 12th
Explorer = 16th

Advanced careers would be "more" maturation than a basic career in most cases.

That's about how far I'd expect a Warhammer World 4E D&D campaign to advance anyways

jh

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

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[Mustrum_Ridcully]

To you experts on WFRP and 4E D&D out there:
What would you estimate be the equivalents between 4E D&D levels and WFRP careers?

Obviously basic careers would be "low level" but where/when would additional or advanced careers become equivalent? Would a Soldier/Veteran/Sargeant/Captain be the equivalent of a 8th level 4e character or would the advancement be a lot slower?

Would there be situations where there would be "paragon" level types?

I'm asking for my own D&D 4E/wfrp campaign.

Thanks,

jh

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I think everything in Warhammer basically still sits at the heroic tier.
What's the last advanced career for a spellcaster in Warhammer again? I would suppose that's the point where you can enter paragon tier equivalents. (The Core Rules suggest, IIRC, that Elven mages still advance beyond that.)

Of course, the last career exit for a Dwarf Giant Slayer is "A glorious Death", IIRC, which would fit the end the epic tier. But power-wise, he's probably still more comparable to a heroic tier adventurers in D&D.

So, to use your Soldier example:
Soldier = 1st
Veteran = 3th
Sargeant = 5th
Captain = 7th
Explorer = 9th

 

[CapnZapp]

To you experts on WFRP and 4E D&D out there:
What would you estimate be the equivalents between 4E D&D levels and WFRP careers?

As you have gathered by now, there can be more than one answer.

In terms of fighting power, WFRP characters usually are able to soak one or two solid hits before they go down. This changes very slowly for more experienced careers, and unlike D&D, even a starting character can conceivably have the best armor the game can offer (plate mail).

In D&D 3rd Edition terms, that would mean more than 1st level, but less than 5th, perhaps. This would indicate that a (very) rough comparison is the number of careers equals level + 1. A third career WFRP character would then correspond to a fourth level D&D character.

That's 3rd edition though, where characters start out very mortal. In 4th edition, I'm afraid I agree with a previous poster: all WFRP characters are 1st level D&D characters. The survivability of 4E is vastly higher than the previous edition - much more like a super-hero game than WFRP.

In terms of social power, WFRP characters can become burghermeisters, guildmasters, noblemen and the like. I would say the entire range of heroic tier levels are open. Meaning that these kinds of positions are in D&D games often held by characters of levels 6-10, at least in bigger towns and cities.

I would not recommend mapping WFRP characters of any kind onto the paragon tier, with the possible exception of Grail Knights and rare individuals like Gottrek the Dwarf. However, that does not mean I can't see WFB heroes (from the minis game) as paragon-tier heroes: the kings and leaders of the various armies. Certain individuals such as Teclis might even be described as made out of epic-tier stuff. But that's another discussion.