D&D Miniatures Question

Brother Shatterstone said:
Why is there a need for rarity in figures for D&D...? Seems to me this isn't for D&D but a shot at mageknight. :(


Agreed. It is kind of annoying but I think once a secondary trading sort of market opens up, it won't be so bad. I guess from the WotC side of things, the collectible nature of these may bring them in more cash.
 

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Djeta Thernadier said:
From what I've seen, just ads in magazines There was a poster sized ad with a bunch of them in Dungeon (I think it was in Dungeon...I'm at work right now and I can't recall so don't quote me on that) this past month.

They look awesome. They had some labeled as common, rare, etc.

Does anyone have a link to pictures of them online?

There weren't that many female figures on the ad I saw, but hopefully as more come out, that will change. I really liked the Centaur and the Mummies will be cool for when I run my Egypt game :)

I'm sure a secondary market will pop up for trading etc.

Here you go.

http://www.maxminis.com/

Just click "Mini Pics" at the top.

You can find more information on the minis, here.

http://www.geocities.com/merricb/mini.htm
 
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Djeta Thernadier said:
Agreed. It is kind of annoying but I think once a secondary trading sort of market opens up, it won't be so bad. I guess from the WotC side of things, the collectible nature of these may bring them in more cash.

I've already seen a bunch of these for sale on eBay from anywhere from $1 to $3.
 

Pants said:
The Mummy, Blackguard, and Executioner are all incredibly cool looking.
Looks like I'll be building a Lawful Evil warband :p

My personal favorites so far are:

  • Cleric of Order
  • Dwarf Axefighter
  • Large Earth Elemental
  • Man-At-Arms
  • Human Wanderer
  • Vadania
  • Thri-Kreen Ranger
  • Human Blackguard
  • Mind Flayer
  • Cleric of Gruumsh
  • Drow Cleric of Lolth
  • Troll

I'll definitely be building a Lawful Good Warband. Can't wait to start killing evil critters and elves left and right with my Earth Elemental. ;) I'd also like to put together a Chaotic Evil Warband for the sole purpose of forming an orc warband. The Cleric of Gruumsh has an ability called "Faction Builder", which allows any orc/half-orc to be part of his warband, despite alignment conflict. So Krusk, the Half-Orc Monk, and the Half-Orc Fighter, who're Chaotic Good, Lawful Neutral, and Lawful Evil respectively, can work with the Chaotic Evil Orcs so long as the Cleric of Gruumsh is selected.
 
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Brother Shatterstone said:
Why is there a need for rarity in figures for D&D...? Seems to me this isn't for D&D but a shot at mageknight. :(


The starter set comes with skirmish rules, so you can play a combat game with the mini's. Hench the rarity. WoTC is trying to go for the mage knight market, these mini's replace chainmail.
I just wish they did not do random packs. If i want 5 orc's, I want to buy 5 orc's, not hope I get them in packs.
 

Brother Shatterstone said:
Why is there a need for rarity in figures for D&D...? Seems to me this isn't for D&D but a shot at mageknight. :(

I really hate to break this to you, but every single miniature line that has ever been released has had rarity in its figures. Same for D&D monsters.

Think about it. How many orc figures are there? How many orcs are encountered in typical D&D games?

Right. Now think about the same for the flumph.

Hmm. I detect a difference in rarity (or commonality).

Because the D&D Miniatures sets are relatively small, collecting the common figures won't be difficult. Getting hold of some of the rares will be - and that's a pain for things like the Ogre. For a figure like the Mind-flayer, things get more complex.

The Ogre's rarity is not really a problem. That's because you can get it in metal easily enough. It's somewhat of a pain if you're wanting to participate in Organised Play where only the official figure will do, but that's a different matter to wanting the figures for the RPG game or a casual game.

The Mindflayer's rarity; now that can be a problem. If you need some mindflayers for a session, it's not something that can be easily attained in metal.

However, at this point you run up against the problem WotC has with miniatures: there has to be something dramatically different about their figures to allow them to compete against the established miniature lines. It's no good if they are "just another Reaper". That just splits the existing market, and thus lower sales for both. Hmm.

One of the attractions WotC has is that it can create specific figures for the D&D game. But that's not enough by itself - certainly not in the metal miniatures market. The reason it's not enough is though there are several unique D&D monsters, very few of them are of such a nature that large quantities would be bought by miniature enthusiasts. The D&D line needs more.

Thus, random, plastic, pre-painted miniatures, scaled for D&D (28mm).

Plastic -> portable. Don't underestimate this. Ask some of the metal miniature enthusiasts how they pack their miniatures for transport, and how antsy they get when people roll dice near their miniatures. One of the selling points of this line is that the figures can take some pretty rough punishment.

Pre-painted -> quick, and appealing to those who don't like painting miniatures, or who never, ever want to paint another orc.

Scale -> One of the selling points over Mage Knight. I love the MK figures for their cheapness, but their scale is completely wonky for D&D. They don't even scale with each other, a lot of the time. The bases are just wrong for D&D as well. (and don't fit with existing 25-28mm miniature lines, either).

Random -> Have you noticed how cheap the D&D miniatures are? They're cheaper than the MageKnight figures are! You could have cheap plastic figures without them being random, but there's one problem there.

That problem is how many different sculpts can be made. IIRC, Games Workshop make some very cheap sets of generic plastic orc figures. But, you won't find their more special sculpts in plastic - or at least not cheaply. Unusual figures won't sell very well, and the price for them reaches a point at which it is more economical not to produce the figure at all.

The random nature of the D&D line means that low percentage figures can be made. Because this is D&D, there's a fair chance that a DM will find a use for them. And that's good for those people who want unusual figures. For those that don't want them... well, they'll be rare and hard to get.

For those that want orcs, and don't want the random chance, the secondary market will provide - and probably quite cheaply. Ditto for the mindflayer, though the cost will be more than you might like. OTOH, the current option is to NOT have a mindflayer at all. Oh, goody.

Finally, it should be said that this line will not replace the need for quality metal figures. I would fully expect that most RPG groups will buy the D&D Miniatures line for a basic supply of creatures to fight, then go into the metals for PC figures and specific creatures that are available from the established manufacturers. It would be nice if, at some point, WotC came to an arrangement with Reaper or another company to do some specific D&D-themed metal miniatures, but that would be dependent on the success of this line.

Cheers!
 

Eh... All of the monster minis that I'm interested in are rares and frankly I can buy at any time as a Reaper Mini. I guess we'll have to see how these do but I truly think WotC would be better off just selling pre-built sets.

~D
 

TalonComics said:
Eh... All of the monster minis that I'm interested in are rares and frankly I can buy at any time as a Reaper Mini. I guess we'll have to see how these do but I truly think WotC would be better off just selling pre-built sets.

Which basically shows how much you are not the target market.

* You paint
* You assemble
* You are prepared to pay a higher price.

WotC are making available two pre-built sets - the Orcish Warparty (Ogre, 3 Orc Archers, 6 Orc Warriors, 1 Orc Berserker, 1 Goblin sneak, 4 Kobold Warriors) and the Outlaw Warpart (Owlbear, Cleric of Order, Dwarf Axefighter, Halfling Veteran, Human Wanderer, 3 Elf Archers, 5 Man-at-arms, 2 Wolves).

Consider this: how interested would the D&D Miniature line be to you if you didn't have any miniatures for use with the D&D line? At that point, almost every miniature is of use to you. (And it must be stated that most of the figures are evil/monster figures).

Cheers!
 

It would be nice if, at some point, WotC came to an arrangement with Reaper or another company to do some specific D&D-themed metal miniatures, but that would be dependent on the success of this line.

I don't think they need to - it's my understanding that Reaper already does this, more or less. They might not be the same name, but they look like the monster in question.


Anyway, what I think the problem is, is that miniature painters tend to be elitists, and any idea of the average person having cheap, painted minis for their game offends them. They gripe about how they want WOTC to do this or that, but they have literally 100s of companies making metal minis. But how many companies make plastic ones? Very few.
 


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