Tsyr
Explorer
Anyway the idea that two guys can punch each other and not cause some kind of damage is dumb - its actually quite easy to break a bone (which IS HP damage) -at school we use to play 'Pile-ons' (20 kids jumping on top of each other and yes bones got broken) and a kick to the bollocks should be enough to knock any guy prone and balling
Right. Breaking a bone is lethal damage... IE, you take the -4 penalty to do it.