D&D General Dark Sun as a Hopepunk Setting

[GrimCo]

Captain Planet was awesome. Green mullet for the win I liked that show as a kid. Linka was my girl. We had around same time cartoon with similar environmentalist theme, called "Little flying bears" ( croatian-canadian co production).

 

[Zardnaar]

Captain Planet was awesome. Green mullet for the win I liked that show as a kid.

Same lol early 90s it screened here.

 

[Mind of tempest]

That's where the Templars come in! Essentially functioning as private for-pay armies of mercenaries. Only in the allegory, the payment is magical power and water in a world where both of those things are rare!

Ahhh hahahha... no. I'm not -planning- anything.

I'm still trying to get Martial Artistry out the door and I've got plans for Sunset Riders and Occult Omens, already.

Right now this is a fun thought experiment of how I would do it if I had the opportunity. But unless Jeremy Crawford shoots me a PM or hits me up on Discord or drops me an Email...

I don't see ever -actually- doing this as a product release. Both because I would make next to no money off of it (settings aren't big sellers for 3rd party designers) and I would get sued into the ground for WotC.

And it's not like I'm tower off the ground any distance as it stands.

I may think it'd be fun and cool, but I'm no Lanasa. I know not to poke the bear!

Oh, -absolutely-. And a big part of the "Money" is of course magic. Defiling magic. Because @Mistwell and @Micah Sweet this is an allegorical structure not literal.

The Ecological disaster of Athas in TSR's works was brought about by racism and lust for power with the humans literally wiping out the 'Lesser Races' because while it was an ecological disaster allegory it was also a racism allegory with minimal allegory...

While that is still a threat worth putting into allegory, I think a less overt form of it would work better in the modern day.

And if you don't wanna engage with climate change as a theme, Dark Sun in -any- edition really isn't the setting for you! 'Cause it was practically the "Grimdark Captain Planet" D&D setting.

a theoretical I see, was hoping for a project a successor but it is not the season any more.

 

[Gradine]

This is completely aside from your point but I was curious so I looked it up.

Apparently Final Fantasy X has sold the most copies and some consider it to be the most popular.

Well, hot damn, look at that. So it is.

Well, it's a good thing FFX has absolutely nothing to say with any kind of modern relevance

I would have thought VI would be the one with the most fond nostalgia. It is usually between VI and Chrono Trigger for people's favourite SNES jrpg (or game in general).

Look, get a group of people called "Final Fantasy fans" together on the internet in 2005 and ask them their favorite, and FFVI would almost certainly come out on top. But it's not anywhere up the list in terms of sales and overall popularity, especially since these days the vast majority of people who could now rightfully call themselves fans of Final Fantasy would have been born after FFVI even came out.

Also, shh, don't tell anyone, but FFVI is about nukes

Well sure and I knew that about you and I don't begrudge you wanting that internal consistency. But darn dude, you like plenty of fantasy and imaginary elements in your D&D. I've seen you take joy in some of those things. It's why I am surprised you seem bothered I said hey, settings in D&D are going to include fantasy because it is in fact a fantasy themed TTRPG. Heck, even when they had D20 Modern ( a game I liked ) and D20 Future (a game I did not like) it still had a fantasy theme to it. Fantasy is what D&D does.

My apologies then, I think I misread what you were saying the same way that Micah did.

 

[Gradine]

It still is very much in 2024 both for character creation and in the cosmology.

I just don't see the need to yuck people's yum in this regard.

I like it and it is tiring when people say that it is either useless or a hindrance to a good game.

I don't know that it's yucking anyone's yum. People are allowed to have and express opinions about the concept, negative or positive. It's not a knock on Alignment fans to say that I find that alignment has been useless-to-detrimental to the game since its inception, or at least when I started playing it (2nd edition).

 

[Gradine]

a theoretical I see, was hoping for a project a successor but it is not the season any more.

I mean, if I had the time, energy, resources, money, or talent, I'd be all over it myself

 

[abirdcall]

I don't know that it's yucking anyone's yum. People are allowed to have and express opinions about the concept, negative or positive. It's not a knock on Alignment fans to say that I find that alignment has been useless-to-detrimental to the game since its inception, or at least when I started playing it (2nd edition).

Is this not what that term means?

A mechanic around motivations could have been explained without first pausing to greatly disparage alignment.

Telling people the thing they like is terrible isn't going to do anything and the people who think the thing is terrible already have that position.

 

[Gradine]

Is this not what that term means?

Yucking someone's yum includes a lot more intentional shame beyond stating a mere dislike. If I said that anyone who likes alignment doesn't know how to roleplay properly, that would be yucking your yum. Thankfully I would never say that and I don't believe it (and I would doubt @Steampunkette does either, but I won't speak for her)

A mechanic around motivations could have been explained without first pausing to greatly disparage alignment.

Telling people the thing they like is terrible isn't going to do anything and the people who think the thing is terrible already have that position.

I mean, we can quibble about tactics all day long. I might say that "hey, if you don't like this thing, here's something else you might like better" as a selling point, and it wouldn't be a bad one at all. Sure, @Steampunkette went a little more... harsh and definitive with it, but still not anything at all that I would consider disparaging of the people who disagree with her on it.

 

[abirdcall]

Yucking someone's yum includes a lot more intentional shame beyond stating a mere dislike. If I said that anyone who likes alignment doesn't know how to roleplay properly, that would be yucking your yum. Thankfully I would never say that and I don't believe it (and I would doubt @Steampunkette does either, but I won't speak for her)

I mean, we can quibble about tactics all day long. I might say that "hey, if you don't like this thing, here's something else you might like better" as a selling point, and it wouldn't be a bad one at all. Sure, @Steampunkette went a little more... harsh and definitive with it, but still not anything at all that I would consider disparaging of the people who disagree with her on it.

I guess I took it that way. Could just be that those sorts of comments are all blending into the same thing for me.

I also lost interest at that part of the post. I get this is just posting on a forum but if a product were advertised like that I would instantly not be interested.

 

[Steampunkette]

I guess I took it that way. Could just be that those sorts of comments are all blending into the same thing for me.

I also lost interest at that part of the post. I get this is just posting on a forum but if a product were advertised like that I would instantly not be interested.

And that is, 100%, my fault. I apologize.