Ragin' Halfling
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Has anyone looked at revising the old Dragon Kings book into 3.5?
Any ideas on how Psionic Enchantments differ from Epic spellcasting?
Any ideas on how Psionic Enchantments differ from Epic spellcasting?
DarkSun -Dragon Kings 3.5?
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Ragin' Halfling
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You may be right, but I don't think so. Epic Spellcasting is powerful, yes, but Psionic Enchantment is supposed to be something more. In DarkSun to be able to cast PsE a character had to not only gain 40 levels of classes, but had to perform a crazy spell that transforms their body.
Psionic Enchantments should be something greater than the Epic Spellcasting feat.
Perhaps the game mechanic should be something like, add your psicraft ranks to your spellcraft ranks when creating an Epic Spell? That would allow someone who has mastered Psionic Enchantments to create the same spell, but have fewer mitigating factors.
Thoughts?
Psionic Enchantments should be something greater than the Epic Spellcasting feat.
Perhaps the game mechanic should be something like, add your psicraft ranks to your spellcraft ranks when creating an Epic Spell? That would allow someone who has mastered Psionic Enchantments to create the same spell, but have fewer mitigating factors.
Thoughts?
In a Dragon issue (not the latest, but one issue before that) there was a little article on Mind Flayers. They had a PrC just like the Mystic Theurge except that you dual advance as an arcane spellcaster and a psion (it's called Mind Mage I think).Ragin' Halfling said:
Anyway, you could probably do a progression like,
Wizard 7/Psion 8/Mind Mage 10 (25 character levels)
This would be earliest possible time, IMO, that you could start taking levels of Dragon or Avangion.
Psi Enhancements are tough. They used to be 10th-12th level spells IIRC. Of course, as Aaron pointed out, all epic PCs have access to this now. I would probably actually create a spell list of 10th-12th level spells and give the rising Dragon or Avangion slots in them as he advanced over a 12 level PrC.
Creeping Death
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Aaron L said:
In Dragon Magazine issue 313 there is a prestige class called the mind mage that is a combination of magic user and psion. I would think wizard/sorcer 5/ psion 5/ and mind mage 10+ in order to become a dragon or an avangion. I would also agree with the part about the psionic enchantments being epic level powers.
Since a 5/5/10 character would have the spellcasting ability of a 13th level wizard and a 13th level psion, I would say that the mind mage would have to be higher than 17th level. After 17th level the mindmage would have access to 9th level spells and at 18th level he would be considered a 21st level caster in each class. So I would round it up to 20th level as a mindmage, 30th level human and then allow the progression from their.
Of course you may want to the change the class somewhat to give it a dark sun feel. Maybe call it a Dragon Initiate or a Preserver Ascendant or something like that.
Creeping Death
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gfunk said:
You beat me to the punch
. I had 30 character levels with 5/5/10, 25 seems more doable for the pc's. I love your idea of 10th - 12th level slots for psionic enchantments.WildWeasel
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Well, the ELH is a generic set of rules. I'd make epic spellcasting the province of advanced beings. Basically, "Be an Advanced Being" gets added to the pre-reqs for Epic Spellcasting (with the exceptions for the initial Avangion/Dragon Transformation).
Handling the psionic requirement, given the different multi/dual-classing rules under 3rd ed would be the tough bit. I'd possiblly be inclined to either just require the full 20 of each, or just scale down the required manifester level down some.
Epic manifestation, on the other hand, would not reuqire being an advanced being, just being an epic psion.
Handling the psionic requirement, given the different multi/dual-classing rules under 3rd ed would be the tough bit. I'd possiblly be inclined to either just require the full 20 of each, or just scale down the required manifester level down some.
Epic manifestation, on the other hand, would not reuqire being an advanced being, just being an epic psion.
Jürgen Hubert
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I've got a prestige class for something similar to Advanced Beings
here. The name is a bit dumb, but apart from that it should work fine.
Basically, those who take this prestige class get a "metamorphosis feat" at every odd level (1st, 3rd, and so on). These are epic feats that only come into play after the character goes through a "metamorphosis ritual" which gradually transforms the character into a nonhuman being.
For the Advanced Beings of Dark Sun, there are ten stages of metamorphosis, each of whom creates physical changes, and after the 10th, the character is a full-fledged dragon/avangion/whatever. The characters must juggle whether they want the increased power from the metamorphosis feats sooner, and ultimately become a "weak" dragon, or wait until they have gained a large number of metamorphosis feats and become a stronger one...
I'd make the prerequisites for this class being able to manifest 9th level psionic powers, and being able to cast 9th level arcane spells (or divine spells, in the case of elementals). Characters can only cast epic spells after going through their first metamorphosis ritual. Yes, that means that druids and "pure" psions get the shaft - but this is appropriate for Dark Sun canon, and there are other ways of becoming powerful...
here. The name is a bit dumb, but apart from that it should work fine.
Basically, those who take this prestige class get a "metamorphosis feat" at every odd level (1st, 3rd, and so on). These are epic feats that only come into play after the character goes through a "metamorphosis ritual" which gradually transforms the character into a nonhuman being.
For the Advanced Beings of Dark Sun, there are ten stages of metamorphosis, each of whom creates physical changes, and after the 10th, the character is a full-fledged dragon/avangion/whatever. The characters must juggle whether they want the increased power from the metamorphosis feats sooner, and ultimately become a "weak" dragon, or wait until they have gained a large number of metamorphosis feats and become a stronger one...
I'd make the prerequisites for this class being able to manifest 9th level psionic powers, and being able to cast 9th level arcane spells (or divine spells, in the case of elementals). Characters can only cast epic spells after going through their first metamorphosis ritual. Yes, that means that druids and "pure" psions get the shaft - but this is appropriate for Dark Sun canon, and there are other ways of becoming powerful...
