Darth Sidious question - **RotS Spoilers**

[Jdvn1]

I think Mace was struggling with what to do with Palpatine, as in his emotions. He went to arrest him with three other Jedi and ended up deciding it would be best to kill him cause a trial would never be successful. (DSP anyone?)

I think Anakin was truly right in stating/believing that Palpatine was suppose to stand trial.

... Eh, maybe. That he resisted arrest didn't exactly speak volumes for his right to a fair trial. If you attack a cop, expect him to attack you in return.

I was thinking... I think option 3 here is very unlikely. If he could've masked his face, he would've done so after taking care of Mace. So what if Anakin saw him? "You've sworn your allegiance to me. Don't tell anyone about my face." Done. Why have his face be scarred? I don't think it helped him at all.

 

[Turanil]

Ah I posed another question on another thread relating to this. To me, its pretty obvious that he was faking helplessness only to get Anakin to finally turn. Am I alone in this?

I'm for option 2. In other scenes before III you can get hints with little glimpses of his face. You can tell that he's already deformed.

I entirely agree with this.

1) Palpatine's true face was already deformed (or maybe he is some alien race?)

2) He was indeed faking helplessness to have Anakin fall to the dark side.

 

[Flyspeck23]

1) Palpatine's true face was already deformed (or maybe he is some alien race?)

Need more screen captures?

 

[Welverin]

This is right after he killed all but one of the Jedi Knights/Masters that came to arrest him, yes?

What you don't seem to be taking into consideration is that Mace is up there with Yoda as far as Jedi goes, which means he's much better than the other scrubs. Note the two no names got taken out instantly and Kit lasted a little longer, Mace then held his own well before Anakin showed up.

Considering how easily Mace defended against the Lightning, it can be assumed he would have defended himself well enough against other attacks.

Let's not forget how easily Obi-Wan handled it in Ep2, and Yoda all over the place, so the notion Palpy could have easily defeat Mace just using the force to defeat one of the two leading members of the Jedi Council sounds like a terrible stretch.

While it's hardly a definitive source the PotJ sourcebook has Mace stated out as a 7th level Jedi Guardian/6th level Jedi Master/ 5th level Jedi Weapon Master, for comparison Yoda is a 9th level Jedi Consular/ 8th level Jedi Master/3rd level Jedi Instructor. Both as of Ep2. According to the DS sourcebook Sidious is a 3rd level Noble/3rd level Dark Side Devotee/9th level Sith Lord and in the revised corebook Palpy is 4th level Noble/6th level Dark Side Devotee/10th level Sith Lord as of Ep6.

If the rpg folks got any kind of guidance on those, it gives a good indication Mace's whooping of Sidious is no act.

Need more screen captures?

Go for, only way to convince everyone (still may not work though).

p.s. Are you making them youself? If so how?

Huh. I thought the Old Republic ones, and the Sith Wars and all those "ancient" comics were the most cheesy and the least Star Wars. The Darth Maul comic was my favorite.

Well keep in mind I stopped reading SW comics around the time of DE2, so things easily could have gotten worse after that.

 

[John Crichton]

This particular topic is great simply because there is no correct answer until Lucas says something. Speculation and being able to have an opinion about it is quite fun and allows each viewer to taylor what they want to believe to make the story work for them.

While watching it I got the distinct impression that the entire fight, just like Palpatine's play for Anakin's loyalty (I am the Sith Lord) was a calculated risk and somewhat staged. Mace is a great lightsaber wielder and knows what he is doing which basically amounts to him not going out like a chump against Sideous. Without Anakin there, he held his own and beat Yoda who is at least on the same power level as Windu. So basically, Palpatine wants to accomplish two things: gets Anakin's simpathy by showing him that the Jedi are corrupt and find a way to not have to hide the fact that he has been a dark side force user for quite some time. He accomplished both.

But I could see him also playing the whole deformed thing up. He's a great manipulator but he is also a great judge of situations/people. Many of the events that happened were him subtly doing things and rolling with the punches to sway things his way. Yeah, there was a master plan all along but not even Palpatine is powerful enough to control everyone and predict everything. I don't think the lightning feedback did it to him, but it could have. I'm just of the other opinion right now. I reserve the right to change my opinion upon future viewings.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Let's not forget how easily Obi-Wan handled it in Ep2, and Yoda all over the place, so the notion Palpy could have easily defeat Mace just using the force to defeat one of the two leading members of the Jedi Council sounds like a terrible stretch.

First, read Eosin the Red post, he's read the novel, at least untill I get the chance to start it... Secound, Yoda got punted across the room by force lighting in RotS, he also got his lightsaber knocked out of his hand in the senete screen by force lighting.

Also note that in EP2 that it was Dooku who was using force lighting and not Palpatine... That's a lot lower will save.

If the rpg folks got any kind of guidance on those, it gives a good indication Mace's whooping of Sidious is no act.

The official write-ups fluctuate in ever printing… Just look at Palpatine’s dexterity of an 11… The emperor was never seen in action before RotS. His write up will change. (If WotC ever publishes another freaking book.)

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

I also think that if Mace would have taken Anakin into confidence that it would have ended very differently.

I'm not so sure... It really depends if Mace came to the same conclusion that Palpatine must die. Something he didn’t state until the argument got heated as even when Palatine was down on the ground he was trying to arrest him. So I really doubt it would have gone differently.

In the same way that Yoda missed his chance when Anakin came to him with his fears. Instead of listening to a very young man, Yoda gave him some pseudo-philosipichal horse hooey. Basically, the Old Republic Jedi suck and brought all thier problems on themselves. Luckily, Luke was smart enough not to listen to Yoda or Ben and fall into the same trap that snared his father.

I agree, the Jedi brought this down upon themselves and the galaxy... Palpatine is far to good at manipulating the truth to his advantage to go unchecked for so long.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

... Eh, maybe. That he resisted arrest didn't exactly speak volumes for his right to a fair trial. If you attack a cop, expect him to attack you in return.

Having a cop defend himself isn't the same thing as giving the cop the right to become judge, jury, and executioner. Though trust me, I would expect the cop/Jedi to do everything in his power to defend himself but it DOES become cold blooded murder when you try to use a weapon against a defenseless target.

Remember Anakin himself said that he shouldn’t have killed Dooku cause he was unarmed… Mace’s actions weren’t those of the Jedi Code.

 

[drothgery]

Having a cop defend himself isn't the same thing as giving the cop the right to become judge, jury, and executioner. Though trust me, I would expect the cop/Jedi to do everything in his power to defend himself but it DOES become cold blooded murder when you try to use a weapon against a defenseless target.

Since Mace almost certainly couldn't cut Sidious off from the Force alone, it was impossible to know if Sidious was really defenseless. He'd already used Force Lightning while lying prone once in that fight.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Since Mace almost certainly couldn't cut Sidious off from the Force alone, it was impossible to know if Sidious was really defenseless. He'd already used Force Lightning while lying prone once in that fight.

Yup and was physical scared from it... He was asking for mercy, a fellow Jedi was saying he must stand trail. Mace took the time to look away from Palpatine also.

It just strikes me that Mace’s action were very unjedi like.